OhioFisherman Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Alternatives for the North LOL! Manco has a big duck tape facility in my area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.mech Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 The NDP sure isn;t impressed by this. http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=103830 Yes, these disasters are always an opportunity for the backbenchers to do some grandstanding.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 Footer Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Bridge engineered in Spain and expansion joints made in China. When you go cheap you pay twice. It should have all been done in Canada, we need the jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 ^^ YES ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Bridge engineered in Spain and expansion joints made in China. When you go cheap you pay twice. It should have all been done in Canada, we need the jobs. You mean like solar panels and windmills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 Footer Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 We are talking about the bridge here, are you changing the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davew3 Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 As I said lowest bidder. Just the way it works now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Actually, lowest price doesn't get these jobs. Many factors are taken into account. Schedules, Canadian content, design. Sometimes MTO designs their own bridges, sometimes there is a design competition for artistic value, maintence requirements etc. It is a very complicated and involved process to put a project like this together. Inspection used to be done by MTO but about 25 years ago they started contracting it out to engineering materials laboratories and it is overseen by MTO engineers. More than one engineer will be calculating and checking work like this. Something really strange happened here and it will take a while to figure it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 An eye witness account mentions a big gust of wind lifted the bridge , probably beyond the limits of what the expansion joint was designed for and it didn't mesh properly when it dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 This reminds me of a Foo Fighters video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 http://m.torontosun.com/2016/01/11/nipigon-bridge-engineers-based-in-spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 It's safe, great engineering! That makes nauseous just watching that !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioFisherman Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Yes Joey, I couldn't even imagine being on it, I would have been moving faster than the guy in the video! I can imagine the hassles the bridge problems will create up there, our highway system is more extensive here, but any problems fuel chaos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Interesting article Glenn. I have done a bit of bridge work and MTO engineering checks generally cover it but this could be different . I can't see the design not being stamped by an Ontario registered engineer but the government does what they want. Ms Wynne doesn't seem to understand the importance of this bridge for Canada. All the beef and pork from western Canada coming by truck must cross this bridge. and her statements sound like she is thinking Hwy 17 from Nipigon to Wawa but it isn't like that. I still don't understand how anybody would reopen this bridge given the failure that happened and the current unknowns. Also, with how upset Sandro, CEO of Ontario eng society sounds, its possible they got shut out of this bridge and now have a great big I told You So on the way Now I'm wondering if the same engineers will do the second bridge Edited January 12, 2016 by Dara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 If they do get the job on the second bridge, I hope they build it more better. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 If they do get the job on the second bridge, I hope they build it more better. HH So much more better that it lasts twice as long... ..... 4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I wonder how much they cost to cancel...its not like they work anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pics Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I hope several people lose their jobs over this.. and no severance.. bye, bye you are fired.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) spanish company. says they have experience with cold weather climates but... apparently not. says they are the same people that built the 407. hmmm... if we couldnt hire canadian maybe we should have gone with finns or norwegians instead? Edited January 13, 2016 by Raf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormdunker Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 All in all it's a terrible situation. What really bothers me is, every where you look our major projects are purchasing materials & other goods from over seas. In Canada we have seen several large corporations close their doors. Atlas Steel in Welland, John Deere in Welland, Hayes Dana in Thorold, Stelco Steel just to name a few. Where are your grandchildren going to work? Hell, even Arcteryx clothing which is a high end outdoor clothing manufacturer has their garments now made in China. At one time they had a plant in British Columbia! Yes - their clothing was Made In Canada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Your grand children need to get an education and not rely on falling back to working on an assembly line. That might seem a bit harsh, but it's a reality. The days of finishing high school and signing up at GM/Stelco/Dana etc are over (And have been for a while) Edited January 13, 2016 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Your grand children need to get an education and not rely on falling back to working on an assembly line. That might seem a bit harsh, but it's a reality. The days of finishing high school and signing up at GM/Stelco/Dana etc are over (And have been for a while) Besides a good education will make you a lot more $$$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Besides a good education will make you a lot more $$$$$. You betcha.. Lots of benefits of using brain power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crappieperchhunter Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 Besides a good education will make you a lot more $$$$$. A good education only gives you a better opportunity to make more money. The rest is up to you. I agree with what you and Bill are saying, however not everybody can do that dance for various reasons. I just find it unfortunate that the developed world in general is throwing the middle class under the bus. And please don't take this as a rah rah union rant because it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 A good education only gives you a better opportunity to make more money. The rest is up to you. I agree with what you and Bill are saying, however not everybody can do that dance for various reasons. I just find it unfortunate that the developed world in general is throwing the middle class under the bus. And please don't take this as a rah rah union rant because it's not. I happen to be a unionized employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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