The Cops found it.

[lookinforwalleye]

Why not? Its an honest question and im curious what the answer is as well.

 

S.

 

sure it`s an honest question....I just know how it will end....

[pics]

I had a truck that was stolen and burnt as well.. Found on 6 Nations and towed to a yard in Burlington. What a royal pain in the arse considering I was located in Hamilton at the time.. I didn't take the first offer from the insurance company so I ended up with a bit more money but still not enough to get anything without another loan. The sad thing is that most of the people on the rez know who's doing the crime but won't say anything. There's no political motivation to go after the thieves either... It disrupts your life and finances and results in higher insurance premiums.. No wonder the guy in Binbrook took the law into his own hands when he shot a guy trying to steal his truck.. Around here it's advisable to have a kill switch and tracking device on your truck..

[manitoubass2]

A- The insurance company will Pay out very based on the age and mileage. A perfectly good vehicle is worth very little at that age.

 

B- The scumbags that did this should have their hands cut off. Mark a thief for what he or she is.

 

Why is there are separate police on First Nations Land?

 

What happens to a criminal that gets caught and convicted on First Nations Land? Do they go through a separate incarceration system?

 

I am not trying to stir anything up, just curious about the process because I do not know.

No, although they have "treaty police", natives go through the same court system as any Canadian.

 

"Treaty police" usually have little to do with serious crimes though, it either gets handed to OPP or they work "on the backs" of OPP.

[Big Cliff]

A- The insurance company will Pay out very based on the age and mileage. A perfectly good vehicle is worth very little at that age.

 

B- The scumbags that did this should have their hands cut off. Mark a thief for what he or she is.

 

Why is there are separate police on First Nations Land?

 

What happens to a criminal that gets caught and convicted on First Nations Land? Do they go through a separate incarceration system?

 

I am not trying to stir anything up, just curious about the process because I do not know.

I recently heard of one situation where a person DUI caused death and got 10 years in prison. They served 1 month and then were released to a healing lodge to serve the remainder of their sentence.

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/drunk-driver-who-killed-family-of-4-moved-to-healing-lodge-after-serving-1-month-1.3300680

 

I am not saying this is a bad thing, it might very well be time better spent than in prison but I don't think this happens unless you are an indigenous person.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Big Cliff

[manitoubass2]

Cliff, it get a little crazy if you know the treaties. Yeah this post is gonna piss alot of people off.

 

Basically, treaties were signed and in many cases not honoured.

 

As part of a reconciliation for this, the 60s swoop and residential schools, an understanding was met amongst the queen, our government and Aboriginal peoples of Canada.

 

The terms negotiated involved a "exhaust all options" approach.

 

So yeah, if You do the exact same crime as an Aboriginal person in Canada, you will serve a harsher sentence.

[Big Cliff]

Cliff, it get a little crazy if you know the treaties. Yeah this post is gonna piss alot of people off.

 

Basically, treaties were signed and in many cases not honoured.

 

As part of a reconciliation for this, the 60s swoop and residential schools, an understanding was met amongst the queen, our government and Aboriginal peoples of Canada.

 

The terms negotiated involved a "exhaust all options" approach.

 

So yeah, if You do the exact same crime as an Aboriginal person in Canada, you will serve a harsher sentence.

I don't know why it's going to "piss a lot of people off" it was an honest question and deserves to be answered in a respectful manner. Perhaps the "Exhaust all options" approach is a better solution, shouldn't the ultimate outcome of any program be corrective rather than just punitive?

[manitoubass2]

I don't know why it's going to "piss a lot of people off" it was an honest question and deserves to be answered in a respectful manner. Perhaps the "Exhaust all options" approach is a better solution, shouldn't the ultimate outcome of any program be corrective rather than just punitive?

I'm referring to the negotiated laws cliff.

 

Because to many it will seem incredibly unfair. But it is a great question, thats why I answered it honestly and sincerely.

 

I think "exhaust all options" is great personally, but it doesn't benefit me or you. So alot of people may get upset over that.

 

I could give a 100 examples to show what I'm saying is true.

 

But the fact is, someone negotiated a better deal for aboriginals, than immigrant Canadians and or the generations of land locked Canadian citizens

Edited March 2, 2017 by manitoubass2

[DanD]

Talking with my daughter last night (She's a lawyer at McKenzie Lake Law firm) and by the end of the conversation, she was like talking to a baseball pitcher, warming up in the bullpen. LOL "Dad if you feel you're being unfairly treated direct them to ME!" She says she has a number of different avenues, that may inspire them to be a bit more realistic in an offer. Things like loss of income, the truck lived two lives; a service truck and personal vehicle. No truck, no tools adds up to no service calls and loss of income.

If they don't write the truck off, I'm sending it to a GM dealer, where my wife works as a service adviser. I also know all the techs there and they've all been given the heads up; as to what I want to happen.

If I were to try and fix the truck here at my shop; there be "conflict of interest" according to the appeaser.

So I'm still in a holding pattern waiting for them to make a decision.

 

Dan

[scuro2]

No surprise where it was found.

 

What the hell does that mean?

 

http://www.polksheriff.org/FAQSFIGURES/Pages/AutoThefts.aspx

"Who Steals Cars?

There are four main types of car thieves:

• CRIMINALS: Burglars, robbers or drug dealers seeking temporary transportation that police cannot trace to the criminals.

• DRUG USERS: Thieves who make quick cash for drugs by selling the car or parts from it.

• PROFESSIONALS: Thieves who sell stolen car parts to body shops, smuggle popular cars out of the state or change identification numbers and sell the cars within the state.

• JOY RIDERS: Teenagers and younger children seeking thrills or looking for transportation for a night on the town."

[Cast-Away]

Thanks for replying to my 2 questions Manitoubass2, I honestly did not know and was curious.

[DanD]

 

 

What the hell does that mean?

 

http://www.polksheriff.org/FAQSFIGURES/Pages/AutoThefts.aspx

"Who Steals Cars?

There are four main types of car thieves:

• CRIMINALS: Burglars, robbers or drug dealers seeking temporary transportation that police cannot trace to the criminals.

• DRUG USERS: Thieves who make quick cash for drugs by selling the car or parts from it.

• PROFESSIONALS: Thieves who sell stolen car parts to body shops, smuggle popular cars out of the state or change identification numbers and sell the cars within the state.

• JOY RIDERS: Teenagers and younger children seeking thrills or looking for transportation for a night on the town."

 

 

Say what you will; but talking with the tow companies owner yesterday; most of the above list, seems to be living on the res? He had another 12 vehicles to go collect on the res; before dark. " I won't go out there after dark; not without police escort"

Then there were another 30 some vehicles in the compound that also came from there.

I asked are all these vehicle located in the same place, he said no they are littered throughout the whole area of the res.

He also told me that he collects at least 50 vehicles a week out there; all being theft recoveries.

So I stand with what Sinker posted; it's no surprise where my truck was found.

 

Dan.

[Big Cliff]

Talking with my daughter last night (She's a lawyer at McKenzie Lake Law firm) and by the end of the conversation, she was like talking to a baseball pitcher, warming up in the bullpen. LOL "Dad if you feel you're being unfairly treated direct them to ME!" She says she has a number of different avenues, that may inspire them to be a bit more realistic in an offer. Things like loss of income, the truck lived two lives; a service truck and personal vehicle. No truck, no tools adds up to no service calls and loss of income.

If they don't write the truck off, I'm sending it to a GM dealer, where my wife works as a service adviser. I also know all the techs there and they've all been given the heads up; as to what I want to happen.

If I were to try and fix the truck here at my shop; there be "conflict of interest" according to the appeaser.

So I'm still in a holding pattern waiting for them to make a decision.

 

Dan

Sounds like you have one heck of a good team there, I suddenly have a feeling you'll come out of this just fine!

[Headhunter]

 

 

What the hell does that mean?

 

http://www.polksheriff.org/FAQSFIGURES/Pages/AutoThefts.aspx

"Who Steals Cars?

There are four main types of car thieves:

• CRIMINALS: Burglars, robbers or drug dealers seeking temporary transportation that police cannot trace to the criminals.

• DRUG USERS: Thieves who make quick cash for drugs by selling the car or parts from it.

• PROFESSIONALS: Thieves who sell stolen car parts to body shops, smuggle popular cars out of the state or change identification numbers and sell the cars within the state.

• JOY RIDERS: Teenagers and younger children seeking thrills or looking for transportation for a night on the town."

 

It means that you learned something today.

HH

[jimmer]

That vehicle with the lower kms and the shape it was maintained in will be worth well over the blue book value.

[Tom S]

 

 

What the hell does that mean?

 

http://www.polksheriff.org/FAQSFIGURES/Pages/AutoThefts.aspx

"Who Steals Cars?

There are four main types of car thieves:

• CRIMINALS: Burglars, robbers or drug dealers seeking temporary transportation that police cannot trace to the criminals.

• DRUG USERS: Thieves who make quick cash for drugs by selling the car or parts from it.

• PROFESSIONALS: Thieves who sell stolen car parts to body shops, smuggle popular cars out of the state or change identification numbers and sell the cars within the state.

• JOY RIDERS: Teenagers and younger children seeking thrills or looking for transportation for a night on the town."

 

 

The organized crime that is (unfortunately) run off some of the reservations in Southern Ontario would fall nicely into your criminals and professionals categories. Some get used in other crimes and then dumped or burned, some get chopped and sold, and the higher end vehicles get shipped out of the country. Sad to see because it causes a whole culture to be painted with the same brush, but around here's if you vehicle is missing it's most likely going to shop up on or around the res.

[Mister G]

Question, did this Chevy truck have a chip in the key or not ? ? ?

[AKRISONER]

I wasnt going to touch this issue, but Scuro's comment I feel needs a straight forward response before this gets off the rails.

 

Scuro having spoken directly with an OPP officer who patrols brant county, the issue is directly related to bullet number 3. These are professionals operating "chop shops" on reserve land.

 

No one has insinuated race in this thread. In fact I can almost guarantee that there are white folks that are the beneficiaries of this organized crime. The low level employees of this chop shop on reserve land are most likely indigenous due to their location, however it is very very obvious that the parts from these vehicles are being shipped off reserve, how many sets of wheels and car parts could residents of the reserve need? Go up 3 levels of hierarchy in the organized crime ring and race becomes a non factor here.

 

The only complaints I have seen so far are with the thieves being thieves and with organized crime. If you are a proponent of organized crime and thievery then I would hope that you express your advocacy in front of everyone in this thread.

Edited March 2, 2017 by AKRISONER

[miami]

This is a sad documentary of past treaties.

The Res Police are sworn in as Police.

Start Policing and I mean start by hunting these thieves down and arresting them. (After reading about the number of vehicles the Tow operator has to pick up, IMO someone on that Res is looking the other way.)

Further, the Chief of any Res that knows and condones this type of activity should be arrested and charged. He/She should be outraged and embarrassed by a small faction of Native Canadians on that or any Res where this is taking place.

 

Dan, I feel for ya. It's happened to me. Stick to your guns and keep us updated.

[DanD]

No this truck had "passlock" anti theft system; where the key is not chipped. "Pass-Key is the system that uses a resistor chip in the key.

Passlock works like this, when an undamaged ignition lock is turned by the proper key; the lock generates a small voltage, that is sent to the instrument cluster. If that voltage is the same as previous voltages sent; the cluster sends a message to the BCM (Body control module). The BCM then sends a signal to the PCM (Powertrain control module); telling it to allow injector pulse.

The thieves must have a way to mimic that voltage sent to the cluster? I'm assuming this because the cluster was unbolted and just laying in its normal posistion.

 

Dan.

[DanD]

I was talking to my niece, who is a correctional officer at the Brantford jail. The story she gets from the inmates, that are there for vehicle theft; is that they are hired and taught how to steel the vehicles.

Once they got whatever they were sent out for; they arrange a meeting with the next level up. The thief gets payed and next level takes it to a chop shop. Whether the chop shop is on the res or not who knows; but most times the vehicles get dumped there?

True or not, I don't know; it's what the inmates are telling her?

 

Dan.

Edited March 2, 2017 by DanD

[Terry]

Well if you can't trust an inmate, who can you trust lol

[DanD]

^^^^ LOL

 

Dan.

[BillM]

Goodluck Dan, I hope they total it for you.

[AKRISONER]

I was talking to my niece, who is a correctional officer at the Brantford jail. The story she gets from the inmates, that are there for vehicle theft; is that they are hired and taught how to steel the vehicles.

Once they got whatever they were sent out for; they arrange a meeting with the next level up. The thief gets payed and next level takes it to a chop shop. Whether the chop shop is on the res or not who knows; but most times the vehicles get dumped there?

True or not, I don't know; it's what the inmates are telling her?

 

Dan.

 

the OPP officer i was speaking with indicated that the chop shops were actively operating on 6 nations. They have multiple locations and where the cars are at any time is anyones guess. There is nothing illegal about having a garage in an empty building. the cars move in and then are gone and the activities switch to another location. There is indeed 0 doubt though that these robberies are related to larger crime syndicates. the ones doing the stealing are simply employees.

[John Bacon]

 

If they don't write the truck off, I'm sending it to a GM dealer, where my wife works as a service adviser. I also know all the techs there and they've all been given the heads up; as to what I want to happen.

 

Dan

That may be your best option.

 

I was offered $200 as a trade-in for the 2005 GMC Jimmy. I am sure you will get more than that from insurance; but you won't be buying a current model truck with the insurance money.

 

My guess is that the insurance will want to write it off. But I don't think you will be getting a lot of money for a 12 year old GM truck.