farsider Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 On todays Angling Edge, at the end when he gives his sermon, Al Lindner questioned the veracity of evolution. Personally, I have always hated this part of his "fishing" show and think it is out of place for a fishing show. Usually, it is a somewhat benign recitation of verse or parable. He was making a glib comment about peoples family trees and whether some more branches should include apes, chipmunks, mosquito, goo, etc. (Well reasoned Al ) I found it particularly off-putting. It will be aired again at 8:00 tonight. Cheers, Mark
Muskieman Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 I can't wait for Bill Nye to intellectually demolish Creationism in his up coming debate. Evolution all the way !! Go Science GO !! I always change the channel when the parting sermon comes on.
captpierre Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 There are evergrowing holes developing in Evolutionary Theory. Far from a slam dunk.
gino Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 There are evergrowing holes developing in Evolutionary Theory. Far from a slam dunk. agree
Pigeontroller Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 Normally Al's 'sermon' is just a nice uplifting story, but slamming evolution is another step. "Religion is a crutch for the weak-minded" -Jesse Ventura
misfish Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 I always change the channel when the parting sermon comes on. LOL Randy When I was done my morning fish,I dropped down on one knee and gave thanks.Thanks for letting me get out today and catch a few fish . Then I asked,please allow me to get my hub down and not blow away from me,and please make the walk back easy. Well,,,,,,,,,2 out of 3 aint bad.
SirCranksalot Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 So is Al related to that Duck Dynasty guy??
BillM Posted January 12, 2014 Report Posted January 12, 2014 I love the show but don't need the sermon at the end, so I just switch the station.
Christopheraaron Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 I don't mind his sermons, usually he makes a point that he accepts all beliefs, but he's just asking for it here.
porkpie Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Well, it's his show, and if the network wants to let him preach at the end of it, so be it. If people stop watching, they'll drop him plain and simple! I don't get the angst over religion.
Gregoire Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 There are evergrowing holes developing in Evolutionary Theory. Far from a slam dunk. Making claims that evolutionary theory is flawed and believing in creationism are two different things. One is asking questions based on the scientific method, the other is denying scientific theory for a leap of faith. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with faith, only with people who use faith as a reason to deny logical reasoning.
mosquito Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Good for him, so are many scientists questioning the standard evolutionary theory, Stephen Gould talks about sporadic bursts of evolution rather than the standard model and to go further for that matter, even Richard Dawkins in his book call the blind watchmaker on the first page says that there is the appearance of design in the cells. Science was built on questioning but for so many to question one of the legs so many unquestioningly stand on obviously has a very emotional response, to question their faith in it is not allowed and Linder is right there is no tolerance of a Biblical world view and on and on those intolerant of it will rant unquestioningly without actually being willing to investigate what is true. Sadly most of them probably still think the Haekle embryo images (admitted fraud before 1900, in science text for decades and listed in Science mag. as one of the top 10 frauds along with Nebraska man etc.) were real and haven't learned more than they knew in grade 9, but for those interested in looking I like the book "Dawkins' GOD: Genes, Memes, and the Meaning of Life" but the science is probably above most who "trust" in science, it is written by Alister McGrath (Phd Molecluar Biophysics), in the review of the book by Francis Collins, Director of the Human Genome Project he said: "Wielding evolutionary arguments and carefully chosen metaphors like sharp swords, Richard Dawkins has emerged over three decades as this generation's most aggressive promoter of atheism. In his view, science, and science alone, provides the only rock worth standing on. In this remarkable book, Alister McGrath challenges Dawkins on the very ground he holds most sacred - rational argument - and McGrath disarms the master. It becomes readily apparent that Dawkins has aimed his attack at a naive version of faith that most serious believers would not recognize. After reading this carefully constructed and eloquently written book, Dawkins' choice of atheism emerges as the most irrational of the available choices about God's existence." Universe popping into existence, cell membranes with DNA and protein synthesis all by chance..... all in the realities of entropic principals, instability of complex molecules etc......seems to be more of a moral choice to reject God and takes alot more faith it seems to be an atheist. "The principle of [divine] purpose ... stares the biologist in the face wherever he looks ... . The probability for such an event as the origin of DNA molecules to have occurred by sheer chance is just too small to be seriously considered ... ."Ernst Boris Chain - Nobel Prize in medicine Edited January 13, 2014 by mosquito
BillM Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Your Spidey sense must have been tingling eh?
NAW Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 I'm not sure how long this thread will stay unlocked. The shows not bad. But I really do wish he would drop the sermons.
captpierre Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) 2 forms of evolution Microevolution- proven. variation within a species - colour, type of beak, length of neck, size.....much change over the eons is obvious and true Look at dogs and wolves. Not natural selection but by man. Wolves, Yorkshire Terriers to Great Danes. Same species. Macroevolution -the type of evolution we were all taught in school - species changing into new species and ultimately man- very much in doubt by more and more of the openminded scientific community Nevermind the origin of life. For which Darwin and Dawkins have no answer Edited January 13, 2014 by captpierre
manitoubass2 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Meh, let him speak his beliefs, its his right. As for proof if evolution, im not so sure what the contreversy is? Your cells mutate all day long. That is evolution
captpierre Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 I'm not sure how long this thread will stay unlocked. The shows not bad. But I really do wish he would drop the sermons. If the Leaf thread can have 133 pages on this site, surely this thread can stay
bigugli Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Lindner has as much right to express his opinion as you or I. We also have the choice of listening to his opinion or not. Whether you like it or not, he is merely trying to live by the tenets of his faith. Evangelism/ spreading the "Good News", is a fundamental pillar of Christianity. Good for him in professing his faith and practicing what he preaches. A lot more sincere than the millions who are "Christians" only at Christmas, baptisms and weddings. Edited January 13, 2014 by bigugli
gino Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Lindner has as much right to express his opinion as you or I. We also have the choice of listening to his opinion or not. Whether you like it or not, he is merely trying to live by the tenets of his faith. Evangelism/ spreading the "Good News", is a fundamental pillar of Christianity. Good for him in professing his faith and practicing what he preaches. A lot more sincere than the millions who are "Christians" only at Christmas, baptisms and weddings.
BillM Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Its his show, if you don't want to listen to what he says then just turn it off. Thankfully the fishing and information he provides is probably the best there is and the religious stuff is right at the end, perfect time to change the channel!
nancur373 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 "Religion is a crutch for the weak-minded" -Jesse Ventura Wheeeeewwww!!! Do NOT go in there!!! - Ace Ventura
manitoubass2 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 How about, " religion is for those that need a sense of direction, a sense of moral family values, a sense of being well and treating others in a great manner, in order to justify your own self satisfaction. I myself am not religious, buti respect their voice and morals
blaque Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Lindner has as much right to express his opinion as you or I. We also have the choice of listening to his opinion or not.Whether you like it or not, he is merely trying to live by the tenets of his faith. Evangelism/ spreading the "Good News", is a fundamental pillar of Christianity. Good for him in professing his faith and practicing what he preaches. A lot more sincere than the millions who are "Christians" only at Christmas, baptisms and weddings. Agreed......out of all the things I see aired on a daily basis on the boobtube, Al Lindners wrap up is among the VERY LEAST of my objections
lowerunit Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 I love the show dont really care for the ending but hey its his show. I would rather watch 25 minutes of his show than a lot of the other shows out there that only promote their products and really teach nothing.
kickingfrog Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 It's one thing to be entertained by magic. It is another, to believe it.
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