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[LittleWorm]

I need to vent some frustration, has nothing to do with fishing.

I work at a local tool rental place, I have been here 8 months ( since the store opened ) and even helped set up the store. I am a part time employee and have 4 years experience in tool rental and I am a certified Dewalt tool technician. I work hard and I am very good at my job. There are only ( sorry, were ) only 5 of us at the store. A supervisor, one full time employee and 3 part time employees. The supervisor, the full time and myself were the original 3 with the other 2 part time workers coming later.

 

My supervisor , the full time and one of the part time employee's recently gave there notice. I applied for the full time position that is available, I am already doing the job and my first ( and only ) review was excellent. I am more then qualified for the job ( heck, i'm qualified for the supervisors job as I have managed a multi million dollar store in the past ). Since starting this job I have covered many shifts for other who keep calling in sick, One time I left my dad's birthday dinner because they needed someone to come in and cover a shift. Another time I was in the US with my wife doing shopping and going out for supper and to the casino when I got a call they needed someone so once again I came home early to help them out

 

I have went above and beyond everything they have asked of me to do and guess what? That's right, they decide to hire someone new with next to no experience for the full time position.

I'm so pissed right now because you know why they say they did it,,,,because it's easier to find a full time employee then it is to find someone willing to work part time and they need me to stay flexible and be able to cover shifts.

 

I'm being punished for being dependable and reliable . We work long hours by ourselves, I work 9 hours but get payed for only 8.5 even thought I don't get an actual meal break. We are not allowed to close the store so we have to eat our lunch at the counter and have stop our "lunch" when someone comes in. Ever try to reheat food,,,well after 3 or 4 times of having to reheat it because of being interrupted its as hard as a rock and inedible.

 

Sorry for the rant, I just needed to blow off some steam and it was either this or or nasty letter to my boss and as much as I would like to quit I need my job.

[Big Cliff]

I have been in the same sort of position a couple of times in my 55 years of working and I feel your pain. My suggestion is ; follow the lead of your full time supervisor and get the heck out of there, go find a place to work where your dedication and loyalty will be appreciated!

[Whitespinnerbait]

Unfortunately......welcome to the New Generation where employers don't care about LOYALTY anymore !!!!

 

Hard workers like yourself are a minority.......Slackers rule.

[DanD]

Don't burn any bridges, find another job and give notice. You're only working part-time; so you should have lots of time to find something?

 

 

 

employers don't care about LOYALTY anymore

 

Not always true: there are good and bad employers and employees.

A good working environment, comes from both sides showing respect for each-other. My newest employee was hired 15 years ago, my other guy has been with me for at least 25 years. That doesn't happen, unless we all take the good with the bad and work through disagreements.

 

Dan.

[guastels]

Don't burn any bridges, find another job and give notice. You're only working part-time; so you should have lots of time to find something?

 

 

 

 

Not always true: there are good and bad employers and employees.

A good working environment, comes from both sides showing respect for each-other. My newest employee was hired 15 years ago, my other guy has been with me for at least 25 years. That doesn't happen, unless we all take the good with the bad and work through disagreements.

 

Dan.

I agree wit DanD its a small world and you do not want to burn any bridges. My opinion is that ones career must also be a culture fit as well as an equal opportunity environment. If its not a fit then search for another opportunity, do your due diligence about the new company and move on when you find a new job. Don't quit first as looking for a new job while unemployed will be a more difficult experience.

 

Good luck.

[grimsbylander]

Whenever you're faced with frustration at work, always remember that whatever you do, do it on your terms. People that react on emotion and quit are not punishing the business, just themselves. All you do is first decide if it's time to leave and if so, do it on your terms. Prepare your resume, list all the potential businesses within your acceptable driving radius and decide on a minimum salary/benefits/perks, that suit you. Again....everything on your terms. Leaving a job for a better job is far more satisfying, and rewarding, than doing it from a place of frustration.

 

And I agree with Dan, there are businesses that appreciate loyalty. There may be people that don't but generally, they're the ones that have never spent more than a few years with one company and for good reason. Coincidentally, the company I work for just implemented a cash reward system based on years of service.

[Tom S]

Can I ask if you've talked to your employer about how you feel?

 

It sounds like you want to move up in the company, ask them if there is that possibility. Let them know that if their difficulty in finding part-time help is why you're being held back that you feel like you are then being taken advantage of. Don't write a nasty letter, don't try to solicit advice from a public forum, sit down and have a face-to-face discussion with the person making that decision. Doing that will also show that you have a good head on your shoulders and can communicate, that you can resolve issues. The answers given in that meeting should be what you base your next steps on.

[Headhunter]

What Cliff said! Polish the resume and get looking for a better gig. Stay employed and find a different job. You ware viewed as far more employable while you are working, then when you are not. Jsut be sure that the next company you work for offers what you are seeking as you don't want to be seen as a job hopper.

RE the resume - don't just talk about your roles and or functions, talk about your accomplishments. things that you did that helped save the company you are working for; time, process and money. If you can quantify that for a future employer, they will recognize that you can provide value to them.

HH

[BillM]

This is definitely something you should bring up with your regional manager. Tell him exactly what you told us.

[moxie]

This is definitely something you should bring up with your regional manager. Tell him exactly what you told us.

Bingo!! They can't read minds but I understand your frustration considering you're right under their noses. One thing I've learned over the over my 35 year work life is; Do the job you are paid to do and nothing more cause unless you wear tights and a cape we're all expendable, temporary employees.

 

Good luck.

[buick14]

This is common. Blame it on go-getter wanna be a holes who don't need a break, or let vacation days expire to prove their loyalty.

It's an unwritten law now- adapt or be left behind

[Old Ironmaker]

This is common. Blame it on go-getter wanna be a holes who don't need a break, or let vacation days expire to prove their loyalty.

Really? I always tried to hire the other guy. The guy that never gives anywhere close to 100%, always asking to get out early, come in late and go to funerals for his 5 sets of Grand Parents. That is my go to guy or gal.

 

It might be a surprise to some but some part timers earn as much or more than the full time employees.

[Rizzo]

brutal. I would tell them I am going to start actively looking for a different job and see what they do. If you are as valuable as you sound, they will keep you on and make things right.

[GBW]

RE the resume - don't just talk about your roles and or functions, talk about your accomplishments. things that you did that helped save the company you are working for; time, process and money. If you can quantify that for a future employer, they will recognize that you can provide value to them.

HH

Very true words (in bold is key!) as I worked with HH for a few years and this was key for all we worked with and for.

[moxie]

Ive always tried to maintain a good work ethic but the truth of the matter is that a company existed before i arrived and will probably survive without me once im gone. 5 minutes after youre gone all you are is a distant memory. After 18 years of moving heavy iron i still enjoy what i do and who i work with on most days but i have no misgivings about how inconsequential i am here. I had a job when i found this one. Its a two way street. Its nothing personal, its business.

[FloatnFly]

it might be a case of they know you are more than qualified, and therefore would have to pay you more money based on your experience, where someone with little to no experience, they can pay at the bottom of the pay scale

[grimsbylander]

brutal. I would tell them I am going to start actively looking for a different job and see what they do. If you are as valuable as you sound, they will keep you on and make things right.

 

I'd never recommend this. This only sends the message that you have one foot out the door without as much as a discussion. At that point there's no way I'd invest in training you for another position. And, I'd start making sure I had a plan to fill your current position should you up and leave. Say that to them and watch how long until you're training someone for YOUR job. Blackmail never works...I don't care who you are and how good you think you are.

Edited June 2, 2017 by grimsbylander

[dave524]

 

My supervisor , the full time and one of the part time employee's recently gave there notice. I applied for the full time position that is available

 

 

5 people there and 3 gave notice, obviously you are missing something seriously wrong with that company, that others have figured out. Stand back and have a look again.

[jimmer]

My advice is to look after yourself. Don't tell your employer any of your plans, other than how their decision made you feel. Polish your resume like others have said and start looking if you are completely frustrated. However, remember that the grass might look greener on the other side, but sometimes you find out differently.

[Rizzo]

 

I'd never recommend this. This only sends the message that you have one foot out the door without as much as a discussion. At that point there's no way I'd invest in training you for another position. And, I'd start making sure I had a plan to fill your current position should you up and leave. Say that to them and watch how long until you're training someone for YOUR job. Blackmail never works...I don't care who you are and how good you think you are.

Interesting...because 20 years ago I did this exact thing and it worked out great for me. I was an intern, and the boss was stringing me along...would only extend my internship rather than offer me full-time. I was a great employee (never sick, worked hard, no complaining, got things done correctly, had graduated top of my class etc) and they knew it. When I told my manager I was going to look for a full-time job elsewhere it could not have been 5 minutes later I was called in to see the General Manager. I was given a 10k raise, a fulltime job, and full benefits. So take it for what its worth. I was not blackmailing anyone. I told my manager I needed a full time job, and if one wasn't being offered here I would need to get one somewhere else. As an aside, I did mention I would prefer to stay here...but if there was no fulltime opening I would need to look elsewhere. And as someone who later became a General Manager themselves (about 12 years after that breakthrough), I can attest that I would have no problem if someone who had true potential brought this to me. Do I want the person that badly? If I do I would create a fulltime job. Truly valuable employees are hard to find! Do not let one get away.But...do you rate yourself higher than I do? THEN I do what grimsbylander has said...I tell you all the best, and if possible please provide me with two weeks notice once you find the job you are looking for. The chance you take. I needed a full time job, and I got it. Had a great relationship for 12 years with that company until I was head-hunted to become GM of a different company. So make up your own mind...but if you are a great employee I certainly wouldn't let you get away!

[misfish]

Interesting...because 20 years ago I did this exact thing and it worked out great for me. I was an intern, and the boss was stringing me along...would only extend my internship rather than offer me full-time. I was a great employee (never sick, worked hard, no complaining, got things done correctly, had graduated top of my class etc) and they knew it. When I told my manager I was going to look for a full-time job elsewhere it could not have been 5 minutes later I was called in to see the General Manager. I was given a 10k raise, a fulltime job, and full benefits. So take it for what its worth. I was not blackmailing anyone. I told my manager I needed a full time job, and if one wasn't being offered here I would need to get one somewhere else. As an aside, I did mention I would prefer to stay here...but if there was no fulltime opening I would need to look elsewhere. And as someone who later became a General Manager themselves (about 12 years after that breakthrough), I can attest that I would have no problem if someone who had true potential brought this to me. Do I want the person that badly? If I do I would create a fulltime job. Truly valuable employees are hard to find! Do not let one get away.But...do you rate yourself higher than I do? THEN I do what grimsbylander has said...I tell you all the best, and if possible please provide me with two weeks notice once you find the job you are looking for. The chance you take. I needed a full time job, and I got it. Had a great relationship for 12 years with that company until I was head-hunted to become GM of a different company. So make up your own mind...but if you are a great employee I certainly wouldn't let you get away!

 

 

If you are happy and confident in your abilities of your current job, then step up and make your voice heard. Do not be stepped on. If thats what you are worried about, then you are just there to be there. I have been with the same company for 22 years. Starting off at the bottom and kept working my way up. It wasnt for what I knew, but my work ethics. Worked hard and always willing to learn. The company I work for, seen this, and always rewarded me. Never asked for a thing. They would offer one job to the next. I was always taking them up on their offers.

 

Now heres one thing I will tell you about moving on up. ( And Im not talking about the Jeffersons ) More hours, more responsibilities. This took it,s toll on me the past 5 years. Stress and health issues. The company never seen the signs, nor did I, as the plant was running fine. Then one day, it hit and I was not the same person I was. The company did get on board and asked that I keep my position, but needed to step back and give up my work load and hours. They brought new people in to help with this. This was a real hard pill to swallow for me, but it was for the best. I now work a normal 40 hour week, but I still care how things go. Im not a leave it for the next guy kinda guy. Before I was doing 50-60 HPW. My longest stretch with 4 days off was 4 months. That was due to me being concerned, and thinking the plant was mine.

 

Just something to think about if you really want to be the, go to guy.

 

Good luck

Edited June 2, 2017 by Misfish

[Old Ironmaker]

There is always a method to get what you feel you deserve. On one hand it isn't advisable to go in with emotion and show your cards as "I'm looking for another job if you don't value me", the boss can say "good luck to you, I wish you the best." Or hold your cards close to your vest. I don't know what business you are in but even if a small shop or big business this too has back fired. People talk and managers in business even competitors are closer than one may think. I remember a young supervisor that was getting jerked around that passed his resume about the industry and within a week our Divisional Manager was asked by a competitor for his opinion of this employee. He was caught off guard and embarrassed. The competitor was probably slighting our Manager in the not so innocent conversation. The guy was gone in 2 weeks without employment. Not as easily done today but management would have made it hell for him to stay and he would have never advanced until the current group of managers were long retired. On the other hand my 2 biggest moves I made in my 30 years was because I basically quit. Once walked out in the middle of the day and never showed up the next morning. I got a call from Industrial Relations, now referred to as Human Resources and was offered a better position in a completely different field. He asked me what took me so long? It was all a test for seeing the big picture. It was a clerical job in a pool of 25 people doing the same thing each and every day and if you hang in you die or retire there. The next time was 5 years latter and I gave my letter of resignation after being scheduled 24 consecutive night shifts. I was a relief foreman and again I found out it was a test. Hopefully management doesn't do this anymore but I suspect they still do. Is it possible you are being tested? The boss and you are the only 2 of the 5, 3 leaving, that is strange plus they flew in a full timer over you, man that is cold. From the outside with the limited information you have shared here you are not as valuable as you think you are or the manager has plans he isn't sharing. I hope it is the latter. Not all managers are good at it, you may have one that isn't and can't see the trees for the forest. The best of luck to you.

Edited June 3, 2017 by Old Ironmaker

[moxie]

Like I said, it isn't personal,its business. Wanna stay, speak up. Wanna leave put the gears in motion and continue on your journey to better yourself and hopefully, in turn, your life. Slice through the emotional and sentimental swampy mess and it's just a job. You work, they pay. A means to an end.

[ch312]

 

I'd never recommend this. This only sends the message that you have one foot out the door without as much as a discussion. At that point there's no way I'd invest in training you for another position. And, I'd start making sure I had a plan to fill your current position should you up and leave. Say that to them and watch how long until you're training someone for YOUR job. Blackmail never works...I don't care who you are and how good you think you are.

 

Never works? Actually, it works quite well for valuable employees who're in high demand. Not so well for those who aren't as valuable as they think they are.

 

It's a job, not your wife or family. Tell them how you feel and simply move on if you don't like their response/outcome. Far too many people go to work every day hating their jobs and it should never be that way.

[LittleWorm]

Well it's been a few days and I have cooled off some. 20 years ago in my younger days I would have been arrested for assault the day they told me they hired someone else but I like to think I am older and wiser. I have updated my resume and have a few interviews to go to in the next week and a half.

To answer some questions, I did talk to my manager and regional manager and it was a decision they both made to go with someone else for the full time position and their reasoning was I am already there as a pert timer and it's easier to find a person looking for full time work then a pert time position.

Now what really grinds my gears , and I can't help but laugh is that I am training the supervisor and full person they hired, i'm not good enough for the position but i'm good enough to train people for the positions! Both seem like really nice guys and I am holding nothing against them as they had nothing to do with me not getting hired but I do find it funny that I have to train both of them on what tools are what and how to use them ( as well as out computer system ) . Their tool knowledge seems to really be lacking.

Like I said, resume is done up and being sent out, I like my job and am very good at it and really wanted the full time position but it's not to be. I held my temper ( and my tongue ) in check to keep my job to bay the bills and buy more fishing gear!!!

Hopefully one of my interviews coming up will pan out.