Terry Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 The Toronto Star along with all the pubic service unions gave us this government we can not afford and now they live with it. It is going to be a great couple of years we have in front of us with all unions blaming the government they put in power not living up to any of the promises they were given. Welcome to the real world I think if The Toronto Star along with all the pubic service unions had the numbers or power to put who they want into power, they would start their own party and run the province themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Excellent post canuck2fan. Some people can't handle the truth..... The truth is the province is in a total mess... and it wasn't one party that put us here. We need LEADERSHIP not partisan Bull. There has not been one sensible solution that will work to fix what is wrong with Hydro rates in Ontario put forth by anybody in politics from any party... Stop the bashing and start the fixing. Edited April 22, 2015 by Canuck2fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I was just curious to see if a teacher trusts his union rep....he can decide to answer or not. relax buddy. you obviously read he tapped out, why are you trolling him back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishermccann Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 One person= one vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnote Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 im in a union, but i certainly wouldnt trust the whole lot of them and i sure dont share their political choices...in my opinion its about who YOU vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudash Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 unfortunately most union members follow the heard and do what they are told. Much like the radio station that went and interviewed some of the Durham high school teachers this week and none of could say why they are on strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Excellent post canuck2fan. Some people can't handle the truth..... There was more truth in that post than practically anything I have read on the subject---here or in the papers---for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshtrax Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 What irks me is when teachers whine about working from home.....I'm on salary for one of the biggest companies in Canada. If I didn't work from home after hours no way I could get my job done.... Deal with it or go get an hourly wage job somewhere. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshtrax Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 And I'm not saying all teachers , just the ones who complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkpie Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm all for using a portion or all of my monthly hydro consumption to electrocute this disaster of a Premier. The sooner the better! Sounds good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 When Harris and Eves sold off the assets for Hydro to their buddies leaving us taxpayers with the stranded debt, Actually, that didn't happen. The Conservatives planned on selling Hydro, but never actually did sell it. That is why it is still available for Wynne to sell now. The rest of your post does contain a lot of good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudash Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 The Liberals have been in power for the past 12 years in Ontario, at what point can we start blaming the Harris government for the issues in Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 The Liberals have been in power for the past 12 years in Ontario, at what point can we start blaming the Harris government for the issues in Ontario. After the Conservatives form another government in Ontario. Then the blame shifts to that leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well lets see, we sold off the 407, what is that costing us in revenue every year? What is it going to cost you and I if we sell off hydro so that Whinnie the Poo can try to make herself look good. (nothing will do that IMHO) The reason hydro costs are so high is because of poor management, stupid high wages and by out packages. The reason we are in such a financial mess is because there is no accountability, politicians lie to get elected, lie while they are in power and set themselves and their buddies up for life at our expense and never have to worry about getting caught, they just tell more lies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outllaw Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 thank you big cliff. I cant agree more ... right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Actually, that didn't happen. The Conservatives planned on selling Hydro, but never actually did sell it. That is why it is still available for Wynne to sell now. The rest of your post does contain a lot of good points. He meant hydro with a small h i.e. the hydroelectric stations that they sold to their buddies at as a great bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudash Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well lets see, we sold off the 407, what is that costing us in revenue every year? What is it going to cost you and I if we sell off hydro so that Whinnie the Poo can try to make herself look good. (nothing will do that IMHO) The reason they sold off the 407 was because the government did not have the money continue construction east of the 404 and west of the 403. Without those extension it was going to be a white elephant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 The only difference between Hudak and Uncle Katy is that Hudak was dumb enough to be honest about the provinces finances and how he was going to deal with the short fall. Uncle Katy simply told the unions what they wanted to hear, in order to win the election. Anyone with half a brain had to know that regardless of who won the election, the crap was going to hit the fan. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davew3 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well I would have to agree with the way HH has said this. To me it has been not just Wynn, but the way the Liberals have presented themselves. Lied to all of us. Now the one thing that is making me happy is the opener on the BOQ is only 9 days away, and hopefully this summer I won't have to drive so far to pick up my beer. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 He meant hydro with a small h i.e. the hydroelectric stations that they sold to their buddies at as a great bargain. Which hydroelectric stations were sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokestackLightnin Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Which hydroelectric stations were sold? 4 were sold to Brascan. It was a slick deal for Brascan as just after the sale, we went through a very hot summer with a number of nuclear plants shut down for maintenance. The selling rate to Ontario Hydro soars and Brascan almost drains the entire upper Mississagi watershed producing power at a huge profit. Some lodges on the system closed due to no water. And then Brascan becomes Ernie Eves' largest corporate contributor. The whole thing stunk back then and the current situation stinks now: http://eprf.probeinternational.org/node/1073 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck2fan Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Actually, that didn't happen. The Conservatives planned on selling Hydro, but never actually did sell it. That is why it is still available for Wynne to sell now. The rest of your post does contain a lot of good points. In 1999, Mike Harris and Ernie Eves, split Ontario Hydro into two companies Hydro One the transmission side and OPG Ontario Power Generation the generation side. OPG was sold at a loss to their conservative buddies because the new owners were not forced to assume the stranded debt which was mostly a result of the building the Nuclear plants.... So YES it did happen and is the only reason there is a DRC on your electric bill. It also likely going to happen again with Hydro One. The Liberal buddies will be making the millions this time while leaving us holding the bag. I apologize it wasn't OPG what was sold it was the ability for new companies to sell power. Which they neither generate nor transmit... This auditor general report explains the time frame for the stranded debt and how it happened. http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/304en11.pdf Edited April 23, 2015 by Canuck2fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenon11 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 In 1999, Mike Harris and Ernie Eves, split Ontario Hydro into two companies Hydro One the transmission side and OPG Ontario Power Generation the generation side. OPG was sold at a loss to their conservative buddies because the new owners were not forced to assume the stranded debt which was mostly a result of the building the Nuclear plants.... So YES it did happen and is the only reason there is a DRC on your electric bill. It also likely going to happen again with Hydro One. The Liberal buddies will be making the millions this time while leaving us holding the bag. OPG is owned 100% by the Ontario government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Didn't OPG sell off Bruce Power? Edited April 23, 2015 by cram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckewley Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm pretty sure OPG & Hydro One were intended to be sold to the private sector but to this date it hasn't happened & remain government owned. If memory serves Ontario Hydro was split into 5 companies not 2 but I could be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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