Terry Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) carrying capacity. it's worked flawlessly for hundreds of million of years. only man is arrogant enough to think he needs to control nature. only man has evolved enough to control nature only man know what arrogant means so no stocking no turkeys back in ontario man has no choice but to control nature at this point or start euthanizing Man to control it's numbers and locations..oh wait that act would also be controlling nature.. Edited January 13, 2012 by Terry
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) i know what you're saying terry and you are 100% right. my choice of words is poor, and controlling nature has in fact been a large part of my career. lamprey control, lake trout stocking in lake superior/inland lakes, etc. were all things that i have done and was proud to be involved with. i also had the privelege of doing a brood stock collection on michipicoten island for that particular strain used here in ontario. management decisions are ever evolving, but are based on the best scientific evidence available. when the best scientific evidence determines that we should wack a bunch of birds, i will not oppose. like i said, if it's a legal hunt i'll join. i'm following the culling efforts with great interest in lake michigan but i have faith in our canadian officials to determine what's best for ontario. they are good people, many anglers themselves, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that their decisions aren't made in haste. Edited January 13, 2012 by Dr. Salvelinus
Rizzo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 all i will suggest is that the people who are studying cormorants every day and who have dedicated their life to fisheries management know a lot more than all of us I believe you've just called government employees smart. If that doesn't discredit anything else you've said I don't know what will.
danc Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Just wondering if you guys have Pelicans in southern Ontario. They're pretty much everywhere up here these days. Don't they eat fish too?
Twocoda Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Just wondering if you guys have Pelicans in southern Ontario. They're pretty much everywhere up here these days. Don't they eat fish too? no pelicans since Stelco shut down....birds developed an iron deficency and flew the coupe
hammercarp Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Satellite view of cormorant damage, Hamilton Harbour shoreline. How many fish did they eat to create that much whitewash/crap?
4thgen Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Why stop at cormorants? I saw more Osprey last year than the year before! This is irrefutible evidence that Ontario's fishery is going to come crashing down! They're eating MY fish!!! So what if they've been here all along. So what if their original decline was caused by people! Their nests? Don't get me started on those eye sores. Oh my God, I saw more herons last year than ever before as well!! Herons eat fish too! Oh my God! The world is ending!! We need to act right now!! THERE IS NO TIME FOR SCIENCE!!! They're taking my fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FISH!!!!!!!
mike rousseau Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Why stop at cormorants? I saw more Osprey last year than the year before! This is irrefutible evidence that Ontario's fishery is going to come crashing down! They're eating MY fish!!! So what if they've been here all along. So what if their original decline was caused by people! Their nests? Don't get me started on those eye sores. Oh my God, I saw more herons last year than ever before as well!! Herons eat fish too! Oh my God! The world is ending!! We need to act right now!! THERE IS NO TIME FOR SCIENCE!!! They're taking my fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FISH!!!!!!! I hope that osprey didn't use an ultra light to catch that musky...
mercman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I hope that osprey didn't use an ultra light to catch that musky...
richyb Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Too bad they dont know about the 120 posession limit on minnows. I have seen them following schools of shiners on simcoe goin at it like an all you can eat buffet. There had to be about 200 of them and each one can eat how much ?. Maybe we should all get one as a pet and use it to get us some bait.
Sinker Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not talking about a cull. I would like a hunting season on them. Why are we still protecting these birds?
woodenboater Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) I think some fishermen in China still use cormorants to catch fish although how much is for table vs a show for tourists , I'm not sure. Regardless, another tradition that may very well be slowly dying. Edited January 13, 2012 by woodenboater
BillM Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not talking about a cull. I would like a hunting season on them. Why are we still protecting these birds? Are they edible?
manitoubass2 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Are they edible? Old recipe for cormorant was to bind it between two oak boards, bury it for a week, dig it up, throw away the cormorant, & eat the boards... All seriousness aside, I found this amusing.
Sinker Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not sure, its illegal to find out. You can make anything edible in pepperettes or sausage. Add enough pork and it will taste fine. You can hunt crows....are they edible? Not really......are they a nuisance....yuuuup! I just want the protected status taken off. It makes no sense to protect a bird that is overpopulating the waters from here to the east coast. It will only get worse before it gets better. My old man tells me on the east coast they are everywhere. He said they try to steal the fish right off your line. Could you imagine?? s.
Sinker Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I don't know how edible they would be, its illegal to find out. I know you can make anything taste OK in sausages or pepperettes though. They can't be much worse than a merganser, or old squaw, and I eat them too. Are crows edible? I'm not sure, I've never eaten one. Are they a nuisance? Yuuupp! Is hunting a means of controlling their population? Yuuuup... Are coyotes edible?? I've never tried, and wouldn't ever, but I'll shoot every one that comes in range. They are also considered a nuisance, and hunting is used as a control on their populations. There is quite a long list, but I'll leave it at that. Why keep cormorants listed as a protected species? Its not like thier population is in and danger. S.
Billy Bob Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Why stop at cormorants? I saw more Osprey last year than the year before! This is irrefutible evidence that Ontario's fishery is going to come crashing down! They're eating MY fish!!! So what if they've been here all along. So what if their original decline was caused by people! Their nests? Don't get me started on those eye sores. Oh my God, I saw more herons last year than ever before as well!! Herons eat fish too! Oh my God! The world is ending!! We need to act right now!! THERE IS NO TIME FOR SCIENCE!!! They're taking my fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My Fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FISH!!!!!!! Are Osprey overrunning the lakes by the thousands near you ? If so show some pictures...I'm sure we would all love to see them. Meanwhile take a look at these pictures....see anything pretty about them. Now wouldn't you like to have them all over your dock and shoreline...
Rizzo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 great pictures Bob. To compare the osprey population on your lake going from 1 to 2 to a cormorant population is silly. It was a great picture of an unfortunate musky though!
wantabigone Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I'll wade into this conversation and throw in my uneducated opinion. They should not be protected, their numbers justify a controlled hunt IMO. They are native and should be allowed to exist and will find a balance in their numbers eventually. (remember the passenger pigeon anyone?) As far as their range goes, the weather patterns have changed on the past several decades which have allowed all species to increase their range further north than in the recent hisyorical past. There is proof of this everywhere. This is not my opinion-it is fact. It is good to hear that the MNR is doing some culling but IMO some areas need to be more aggressive in this area. It is true that the tree huggers will protest if outright culling occurs publicly. The best bet is to open them to a hunting season. All my 2 cents
Headhunter Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) I'm particularily fond of the sound their head makes, when it comes in contact with a boat hull travelling at 45mph! That is all! HH Edited January 13, 2012 by Headhunter
Terry Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 the new group that is doing the Species at Risk in Ontario List, a seems to have no scientific input or they don't listen to it you take the sturgeon..there was a good c&r program working in ontario and the data collected showed that C&R was not hurting the stocks but the new group put a stop to almost all fishing for them..... can't have turkey on Manitoulin island because of a grasshopper or something like that..the people in charge have no idea what they are doing, most likely a few of them belong to P3ta
Billy Bob Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 The best bet is to open them to a hunting season. All my 2 cents IF and when they do open a season on these birds....well this is what it's going to sound like... http://www.videosurf.com/video/bang-bang-bangity-bang-wmv-1254078649?vlt=
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