Marinas cannot be used for recreational boating

[LefroyFisherman]

1 minute ago, scuro2 said:

If only it were so simple. How do totally isolate the vulnerable and those in the retirement homes? You have diabetes and you are not going to not see your kids for 13 months?? Both groups have contact with "those living their lives". Even within our family I tell my girls if they want to come live at home they have to do a 10 day quarantine...my one daughter spent the last few days isolated in my house and then I learn that she didn't start her quarantine when she said she did. Those workers in the retirement homes are the same, you know that there were instances where they didn't self report symptoms.

Ya your right, it’s not simple but wish they had done that or found a way to make that work better.  I’m sure almost everyone lies about symptoms because they have to work and feed their families. 

[scuro2]

13 minutes ago, LefroyFisherman said:

Ya your right, it’s not simple but wish they had done that or found a way to make that work better.  I’m sure almost everyone lies about symptoms because they have to work and feed their families. 

I did hear of an extraordinary situation during the first outbreak where the employees moved into the retirement home until that first wave was over. It worked, they created a bubble.

Otherwise look at my case, you can't even trust your own family to do the right thing because the young  don't take CV19 as seriously. In my daughter's case she avoids news and learns of things if it is trending on one of her platforms. To the young we are out of date relics and in some ways we are. The flip side to that coin is naivety.

Edited April 23, 2021 by scuro2

[Rizzo]

1 hour ago, scuro2 said:

Even within our family I told my girls if they want to come live at home they have to do a 10 day quarantine...my one daughter spent the last few days isolated in my house and then I learned that she didn't start her quarantine when she said she did.

wow

[LefroyFisherman]

They closed the innisfil beach rd park launch. Thankfully I belong to a private beach around here with a launch. 

[porkpie]

That whole side of the lake is unfriendly.  The only places I go out of anymore is Bolster, willow or Beaverton in winter.  Keswick when my buddy is driving, he has a pass.  And that’s a whole lot more driving for me but it’s worth it.  I’m not surprised they closed the launch.

[scuro2]

9 hours ago, Rizzo said:

wow

But is it really wow?

In both the US and Canada cases and deaths spiked after Thanksgiving. Who was dying? In a nutshell Grandma and Grandpa. Generally speaking they are not the ones flying to get to Thanksgiving. So people came to thanksgiving already infected. You can't get infected and spread CV19 within 3 days so you couldn't catch it while travelling and then spread it once there. I'm sure there were many discussions within families ahead of time to be safe, to isolate. In Canada many younger ones could isolate because they were on CERB. My daughter's definition of isolation included being with her one friend who was also "isolating". Think of the skeptics on this board, how many of them would even know all the guidelines for isolation? If CV19 is "just another flu" most likely you're not going to take this as seriously and pour over federal guidelines as someone who is worried about dying from this, like grandparents.

 

[GregF2]

Canada’s leaders are so clueless.  Lockdowns do not work.  This is the fourth one and every time Covid just comes back.  Live with it.  Look at TX and FL, wide open, no masks and doing as fine or better than Canada and any other State.  Canada has become a lockdown and isolationist Country within it is borders and outside of them.  How crazy is it they outlaw golf, maybe fishing and other outdoor activities?  They have lost it.

Canada’s leaders should be fired.  No planning to manufacture the vaccines and they use lockdowns as excuses.  Meanwhile, many business will fail and people are losing valuable time in their lives by not being allowed to do anything.

But, hey people that like lockdowns, must love a Socialistic/Communist country as that what is happening.  Learn to live with Covid, it is not going away.  

I and my son have had Covid and it was like a bad flu.  Just fine now.  In the US over 70 percent of the population over 65 now has had the vaccine.  1/2 the Country has one shot.  What the heck have Canada leaders done.  Absolutely nothing!

[Rizzo]

1 hour ago, scuro2 said:

as someone who is worried about dying from this

I think this phrase is key. As someone who believes there is more to this life than what we see here and now, I am not afraid of dying. When we get older there are many things that could take our life that younger people would not fear. Covid is just one of them! So when that day comes for me,  I imagine I will want to spend as MUCH of my time left as possible with family and other loved ones! I often wonder if you ask Grandma and Grandpa "Would you rather live another 2 years locked away, isolated from loved ones OR would you rather have 1 more year surrounded by the love of your family"...which would they choose? For me, it is a no brainer. I would take quality over quantity any day. I have heard of many people who have pulled family members out of nursing homes for that exact reason, and I applaud them for it (and my family has permission to do the same to me if a time like this happens again when I am older!)

[Hack_Fisherman]

2 minutes ago, Rizzo said:

I think this phrase is key. As someone who believes there is more to this life than what we see here and now, I am not afraid of dying. When we get older there are many things that could take our life that younger people would not fear. Covid is just one of them! So when that day comes for me,  I imagine I will want to spend as MUCH of my time left as possible with family and other loved ones! I often wonder if you ask Grandma and Grandpa "Would you rather live another 2 years locked away, isolated from loved ones OR would you rather have 1 more year surrounded by the love of your family"...which would they choose? For me, it is a no brainer. I would take quality over quantity any day. I have heard of many people who have pulled family members out of nursing homes for that exact reason, and I applaud them for it (and my family has permission to do the same to me if a time like this happens again when I am older!)

My MIL is 85 and she feels like she’s in jail in her own home. She said she doesn’t want her final years to be like this and that the immunizations should be given to young people, especially transit commuters because those are the people she feels are most likely to spread it.

[scuro2]

1 hour ago, Rizzo said:

I think this phrase is key. As someone who believes there is more to this life than what we see here and now, I am not afraid of dying. When we get older there are many things that could take our life that younger people would not fear. Covid is just one of them! So when that day comes for me,  I imagine I will want to spend as MUCH of my time left as possible with family and other loved ones! I often wonder if you ask Grandma and Grandpa "Would you rather live another 2 years locked away, isolated from loved ones OR would you rather have 1 more year surrounded by the love of your family"...which would they choose? For me, it is a no brainer. I would take quality over quantity any day. I have heard of many people who have pulled family members out of nursing homes for that exact reason, and I applaud them for it (and my family has permission to do the same to me if a time like this happens again when I am older!)

It may be that sort of binary choice for some of the elderly, risk death or get hugs and kisses. Some can't live without touching, but it's not that way for most. The elderly often are well informed and do everything to not get infected. I do get it, try not to live in fear and live your life. But again that is not a binary notion. You can take precautions knowing that you're doing the best you can do and move forward.

We have all learned that most need in person human contact. If something like this happens again and I'm much older I will seek low risk human contact. Take the smarter risks for human contact, meet outside or only see one or two people that you can fully trust. Being part of 20 plus person Christmas celebration in the middle of a pandemic at 80+ is idiotic if you desire to live. We mostly don't need lots of hugs and kisses necessarily but just to be around people and 6ft away seems to be good enough for most.

This is why the Ford ban on all outdoor contact is Stuupid. Allow for low risk contact. Singles tennis or two person fishing 6ft apart if you come in separate cars should have been a given. The knowitalls will do whatever they want to do anyways. The vast majority of the population will follow smartly thought out rules.

Edited April 24, 2021 by scuro2

[Sinker]

2 hours ago, Rizzo said:

I think this phrase is key. As someone who believes there is more to this life than what we see here and now, I am not afraid of dying. When we get older there are many things that could take our life that younger people would not fear. Covid is just one of them! So when that day comes for me,  I imagine I will want to spend as MUCH of my time left as possible with family and other loved ones! I often wonder if you ask Grandma and Grandpa "Would you rather live another 2 years locked away, isolated from loved ones OR would you rather have 1 more year surrounded by the love of your family"...which would they choose? For me, it is a no brainer. I would take quality over quantity any day. I have heard of many people who have pulled family members out of nursing homes for that exact reason, and I applaud them for it (and my family has permission to do the same to me if a time like this happens again when I am older!)

Summed up nicely. Only die once. Live ever day!! 

S. 

[Headhunter]

Alternatively, you could ask them if they would rather live for two more years or die drowning in their own fluids. I'm guessing I know the answer to that question.

HH

[Musky Plug]

On 4/23/2021 at 8:53 PM, Rizzo said:

wow

X2 wow is right. 

 

At the end of the day people should have the freedom to choose how they want to live. Either in fear or the choice not to. If you want to stay home and live in fear that’s your choice but I along with probably many other refuse not to. I refuse to let someone else ruin my life and my livelihood, when I worked my f’n ass off to build my company to where I am starting to see progress. The survival rate is 98% respectively for most age groups who are healthy. I currently know 2 people with COVID who are fine and know several people who have had COVID and all have recovered. Most people who have died in the past year in Canada even when COVID wasn’t the direct cause had COVID written as the cause of death. They’re are countless videos on the internet with hospitals from all over the world showing COVID units and ICU units empty. A simple search will show the videos. As stated above the overdose deaths in Canada have increased over the last year but no one has reported on that. The suicide rates in Canada have increased as a direct result to COVID and lockdowns but no one reports on that. The oncology departments are operating at 60% respectively and once COVID is over there will be a dramatic increase in cancer diagnosis or people who could have their lives saved with a diagnosis. But no one reports on that. Not to mention all of the respiratory and health affects and skin affects constant mask wearing have. The flu has seemingly all but disappeared this year which is also a virus spread in a very similar was to COVID. However social distancing measures have all but eliminated that but not COVID. And dispite some of the strictest lockdowns COVID cases still rise? Something just doesn’t add up for me. But what do I know, I’m just a dumb construction guy sharing my worthless 0.2. 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Musky Plug

[Rizzo]

7 hours ago, Headhunter said:

Alternatively, you could ask them if they would rather live for two more years or die drowning in their own fluids. I'm guessing I know the answer to that question.

HH

you figure the "other" death would be much better? You know many many many of the older folks end up dying of pneumonia right? In other words, same type of death...lungs filling with fluid. Fortunately, there are ways to keep people comfortable when they go through some very uncomfortable times.

[LefroyFisherman]

39 minutes ago, Musky Plug said:

X2 wow is right. 

 

At the end of the day people should have the freedom to choose how they want to live. Either in fear or the choice not to. If you want to stay home and live in fear that’s your choice but I along with probably many other refuse not to. I refuse to let someone else ruin my life and my livelihood, when I worked my f’n ass off to build my company to where I am starting to see progress. The survival rate is 98% respectively for most age groups who are healthy. I currently know 2 people with COVID who are fine and know several people who have had COVID and all have recovered. Most people who have died in the past year in Canada even when COVID wasn’t the direct cause had COVID written as the cause of death. They’re are countless videos on the internet with hospitals from all over the world showing COVID units and ICU units empty. A simple search will show the videos and videos about death certificates. As stated above the overdose deaths in Canada have increased over the last year but no one has reported on that. The suicide rates in Canada have increased as a direct result to COVID and lockdowns but no one reports on that. The oncology departments are operating at 60% respectively and once COVID is over there will be a dramatic increase in cancer diagnosis or people who could have their lives saved with a diagnosis. But no one reports on that. Not to mention all of the respiratory and health affects and skin affects constant mask wearing have. The flu has seemingly all but disappeared this year which is also a virus spread in a very similar was to COVID. However social distancing measures have all but eliminated that but not COVID. And dispite some of the strictest lockdowns COVID cases still rise? Something just doesn’t add up for me. But what do I know, I’m just a dumb construction guy sharing my worthless 0.2. 

I very much agree, there are a lot of issues that will last a long time because of these lockdowns. I see my son and I know of many other kids really struggling with the online stuff, and this has really hurt their reading and writing skills, plus the younger kids really need social times and play with other kids to develop. 

[Terry]

Innisfil closed its ramps

[LefroyFisherman]

2 minutes ago, Terry said:

Innisfil closed its ramps

Yep, it’s wonderful I can’t take my kid from my household in my boat to a lake I live right beside. I’m sure they will change it at some point like last year to residents only and you have to book a time. But still.... even our private beach is choosing to close the launch for now. Argh. 

 

 

[Rizzo]

crappy

[lew]

11 minutes ago, LefroyFisherman said:

 I see my son and I know of many other kids really struggling with the online stuff, and this has really hurt their reading and writing skills, plus the younger kids really need social times and play with other kids to develop. 

A friend is a grade 4 teacher and she says normally with in class teaching the kids learn very well but when they're doing it on-line they just don't grasp things as easily. Plus no interaction with friends is very tough on them.

[LefroyFisherman]

3 minutes ago, lew said:

A friend is a grade 4 teacher and she says normally with in class teaching the kids learn very well but when they're doing it on-line they just don't grasp things as easily. Plus no interaction with friends is very tough on them.

It’s tough, my wife is off now also and she basically has to sit with him most of the day. He’s 7, I can see some older kids doing alright with it, but being younger and he also has ADHD it’s a bit of a struggle. I can’t imagine trying to teach 20 kids on zoom. 
 

I really really hope the kids go back to real class in the fall, kinda lost hope for this year. There is going to be a massive education gap with kids, some were able to flourish online, some not, some probably weren’t even able to with both parents working essential jobs and such. 

[Terry]

34 minutes ago, LefroyFisherman said:

Yep, it’s wonderful I can’t take my kid from my household in my boat to a lake I live right beside. I’m sure they will change it at some point like last year to residents only and you have to book a time. But still.... even our private beach is choosing to close the launch for now. Argh. 

 

 

Write an email to the mayor and tell her there is no reason if the playgrounds can be open. The marinas are a nonessential business so it’s understood why they are closed but boat ramps. Not a good reason from anyone why they are closed 

[porkpie]

9 hours ago, lew said:

A friend is a grade 4 teacher and she says normally with in class teaching the kids learn very well but when they're doing it on-line they just don't grasp things as easily. Plus no interaction with friends is very tough on them.

My Wife is a teacher.  It’s a disaster, anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves.  My kids aren’t learning at the rate they should be, and again my Wife is a teacher, but she’s doing her job at the same time and trying to teach our kids when she’s not working.  The only one that’s doing anything is the one in University.  But he’s at a whole different level in his development than the two young ones.  I can’t imagine how other parents are coping with it.  I have discovered I would make a very poor teacher!

Edited April 26, 2021 by porkpie

[Ronzo]

13 hours ago, lew said:

A friend is a grade 4 teacher and she says normally with in class teaching the kids learn very well but when they're doing it on-line they just don't grasp things as easily. Plus no interaction with friends is very tough on them.

Doing at home school right now, I have a three year old, a six year old, an an eight year old. Six and eight have done online learning all year long, and you're right, no interaction with friends is very hard. When restrictions have lightened, we've had playdates with our other bubble family. We chose to keep them at home because Six year old has bad asthma, and we felt we'd be keeping him at home often anyhow, given the self-screening for symptoms that everyone is supposed to do prior to school each day.

We ended up removing our eight year old from online learning and homeschooling her for the year. Teachers have had a hard time (my sisters are both teachers) and many have busted their butts to try to keep the kids going, but the teacher my daughter had wouldn't budge from trying to teach it like an in-person class. What a total crap show. Kids in the class crying because they were stuck with a computer problem and the teacher wouldn't let them ask for help!

 I run an IT business, so I homeschool my daughter while I work, while my wife balances keeping the six year old on track with eLearning and keeping the three year old busy. It's hectic. Academically, they're doing alright, but they've gotta get back to being "in the herd" and socializing with other students...

Our entire household is really hoping for in-school learning to return to somewhat-normal in September. 

[lew]

My kids were born in '67 & '72 and thankfully there was nothing even close happening back then like what's going on in schools today. We were also fortunate that I earned enough money that my wife didn't have to work and could stay home with the kids when they were small and we almost never needed a babysitter. I really feel sorry for parents today who need both incomes but with the on-line learning someone has to stay home and give up that 2nd income. It must be terribly hard on so many families moneywise and so many have probably even lost their homes because of it.

Not really going anywhere with this other than just sorta thinking out loud but my wife and I haven't really been affected by this virus other than some travel plans have been interrupted but I just feel so bad for the 1000's that have been hit so hard by it all.

[LefroyFisherman]

3 minutes ago, lew said:

My kids were born in '67 & '72 and thankfully there was nothing even close happening back then like what's going on in schools today. We were also fortunate that I earned enough money that my wife didn't have to work and could stay home with the kids when they were small and we almost never needed a babysitter. I really feel sorry for parents today who need both incomes but with the on-line learning someone has to stay home and give up that 2nd income. It must be terribly hard on so many families moneywise and so many have probably even lost their homes because of it.

Not really going anywhere with this other than just sorta thinking out loud but my wife and I haven't really been affected by this virus other than some travel plans have been interrupted but I just feel so bad for the 1000's that have been hit so hard by it all.

I was off 6 months last year, some of that by choice and some because of no work. I’m an Audio Visual Contractor in the GTA. I was able to use my time off to build my garage basically all by myself with the help of my dad when he was able to get down. So at least that was a plus for me, saved about 25-30k by doing all the work myself. 
 

Work has been a little hit and miss this year so far, I do a lot of rack work. George brown college and hydro one orillia so far.

 

We have done alright financially but can’t keep this up forever. It sucks for my kid being an only child and I was really hoping he would have been able to spend time with friends last year and this year, here’s hoping by this summer at least.