What is it with young people today? NF

[Steve]

Cliff, if you look at wage parity, and cost of living, no one has had it as easy as those who worked and lived in the 60's and 70's....and into the mid 80's.

 

a few pages back there is a good illustration of that.

 

To be like my father, and purchase my first house that only costs 1/2 of an annual salary...could one even imagine!!!

 

Now the average house is approx 7x's an annual salary.

 

In 1986 My dad made $28K annual, and our first house cost $54K. To dream, oh to dream.

 

The amount of education required to make a decent salary these days....as oldironman has already said, you could once get a job out of highschool by simply going to an industrial area and show you want to work...

 

Now you need four years university for someone to even look at your resume.

 

Kids these days have it harder than ever before.....and the numbers clearly show it.

[Canuck2fan]

Stop being JEALOUS of others........you want CEO money, then go to school and get a BA then a Masters or even better a PHD and become a CEO if you want that kind of money.

 

YOU are where you are because of what YOU did or did not do.....Don't blame others for your failures.

 

I don't consider not being a psychopath like most CEO's have to be to do what they do to others any kind of failure but whatever LOL

[Mister G]

 

I don't consider not being a psychopath like most CEO's have to be to do what they do to others any kind of failure but whatever LOL

HUH, I see more uneducated dirt bags being the psychopaths then anyone else.......as a matter of fact, I don't see any CEO's being the psychopaths that you speak of........but of course maybe you have a better view from your point of view...............

[Old Ironmaker]

I got a scholarship to a Div. 2 University in Ohio at 18. I thought I was in Hollywood, no schooling, morning watching film and playbook study. 3 hr a day practices and then the weight room, Dinner then beer and girls. I couldn't tell you where a classroom was. You had the second semester to catch up on what you missed from Sept to Dec. I said I geta get outa ahere. I went down to the Steelplant with my grade 12 and they asked "What do you want to do?" I started on salary at $500.00 a month in 73. Rent was $200.00. When I left 30 years latter working 60 hour weeks and on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week I was responsible for 105 operators and 20 supervisors. I worked 3 shifts 21 turn rotating days off for 22 years with maybe 4 weekends off a year. I'm going in when my pals are going to Wasaga. I bought my first home in Caledonia in 78 for 54K, I was making 22K as a Dock Foreman. My 2 weeks summer vacation was a week in may and a week in October. Anytime you wanted January to March. 27 straight night shifts as a relief Shift GF in 83', I was told it was a test.

 

Late 90's I'm interviewing grads for potential Supervisors. I ask them "What do you want to do?" They are telling me how much they need to make, their vacation expectations and they are willing to work 12 hour shifts for a few years only. Not all but many. The few I did hire worked out well. It's funny they all had jobs from the age of 8 or 10, paper routes, cutting grass, babysitting, then summers on the farms or family businesses. I ones I didn't hire took 4 plus years to complete a 3 year BA.

 

If I have learned anything it is this, you are not judged by what you have learned from your education you are judged by whether you can learn. I want that person that has learned how to learn.

 

Things are much different now and not much has changed. Good hard working people are just that and lazy people that do hold on to a job are great actors. Without a work ethic a person will flounder and end up with nothing.

 

Just some thoughts from a 62 year old with a shaky pension and lost benefits.

 

Who wants to go fishing?

Edited April 28, 2016 by Old Ironmaker

[chris.brock]

That's fight'n words, your rebuttal Canuck?

[landry]

Lots of young people are super hard working and motivated nowadays. I'm a teacher and I am constantly impressed with kids nowadays. Not all of them. Some will have to learn the hard way.

I hate when 50+ folks say how lazy or entitled young people are and how easy they have it.

I fear for my two teenagers. They are polite, hardworking and smart (like their mother thank goodness). How will they be able to afford a home and get ahead with the crazy rising house prices?

[John Bacon]

HUH, I see more uneducated dirt bags being the psychopaths then anyone else.......as a matter of fact, I don't see any CEO's being the psychopaths that you speak of........but of course maybe you have a better view from your point of view...............

 

Actually, studies have shown that CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits. Not all psychopaths are serial killers. It's a lack of empathy for others that makes someone a psychopath. There is a tendency for CEOs to lack empathy for others; it does seem to help them climb the corporate latter.

[chris.brock]

I fear for my two teenagers. They are polite, hardworking and smart (like their mother thank goodness). How will they be able to afford a home and get ahead with the crazy rising house prices?

I'm worried for my young son too. It's globalization and the erosion of the middle class.

 

 

Actually, studies have shown that CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits. Not all psychopaths are serial killers. It's a lack of empathy for others that makes someone a psychopath. There is a tendency for CEOs to lack empathy for others; it does seem to help them climb the corporate latter.

Yes sir!

 

Sadly, their lack of empathy allows them to make smart business decisions. This seems to be true where I work. I enjoy giving managers like that as much grief as I tactfully can.

[GBW]

Sadly, their lack of empathy allows them to make smart business decisions. This seems to be true where I work. I enjoy giving managers like that as much grief as I tactfully can.

I too go there...

[Mister G]

 

Actually, studies have shown that CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits. Not all psychopaths are serial killers. It's a lack of empathy for others that makes someone a psychopath. There is a tendency for CEOs to lack empathy for others; it does seem to help them climb the corporate latter.

Can you name any ? ? ?

[John Bacon]

Can you name any ? ? ?

 

CEO's? Or, the studies?

 

If it's the former; no, but I don't know a lot of CEO's so that doesn't really mean too much. I am also not qualified to make such a diagnosis.

 

If it is the latter, then a simple Google search should provide some results. I am just the messager here.

Edited April 29, 2016 by JohnBacon

[Mister G]

 

CEO's? Or, the studies?

 

If it's the former; no, but I don't know a lot of CEO's so that doesn't really mean too much. I am also not qualified to make such a diagnosis.

 

If it is the latter, then a simple Google search should provide some results. I am just the messager here.

But John, come on........you were the one that said CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits.

[Acountdeleted]

Stop being JEALOUS of others........you want CEO money, then go to school and get a BA then a Masters or even better a PHD and become a CEO if you want that kind of money.

 

YOU are where you are because of what YOU did or did not do.....Don't blame others for your failures.

 

 

This post is complete nonsense. Some people value time over money. I'd rather make enough to get by and have time to see my family, loved ones and occasionally go fishing and go for a hike rather then working 100 hours a week to make a 6 figured income.

 

Yes, you want to be a CEO? Go to University for 10 years, get your PHD, rack up $250 000 worth of student loans. Work your butt off, and graduate the top of your class. Then take an unpaid internship for the next 2 years while you take another $50 000 loan and work nights and weekends to be able to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head. Then after all of that, the company (or companies) tell you they have put out a hiring freeze and currently don't have a position available.

 

Mister G, what you speak of is a well thought out plan on paper. But it is very very risky. A lot of things can go wrong along this timeline from starting your BA to getting that high paying job. The biggest problem is that if anything bad or catastrophic or tough luck comes along, you are screwed. You're sky diving without a parachute.

 

I've never wanted to be rich. I'm not a thrill seeker and the risks scare me too much. Let me do my 9-5 with the occasional 9-7 or 9-9 with my occasional weekend off so I can go fishing and I'll be happy.

 

On a happier note, we had a tree planting event yesterday where we had about 20 students grades 6-9 come out and plant trees for us. Lots of hard digging, dirty work and way more trees then I thought they would be able to plant. The kids loved it and were sad we didn't have more for them to do. The next generation isn't screwed just yet. There are still some good prospects coming up through the pipeline.

[Acountdeleted]

I'm worried for my young son too. It's globalization and the erosion of the middle class.

 

 

 

Yes sir!

 

Sadly, their lack of empathy allows them to make smart business decisions. This seems to be true where I work. I enjoy giving managers like that as much grief as I tactfully can.

 

 

Girlfriend wants to live in the city, which sucks. Nothing less then a $400k condo available for a 100km radius. Oh well. Guess we are renting the rest of our lives.

[LeXXington]

I have worked with many CEO's of multi-billion dollar companies. I know what the trait is that makes a CEO. Its a drive to succeed and advance no matter what

 

They never turn off, its a special drive that can not be learned. It's not a lack of empathy its just the ability to move on, not dwell on decisions. The worst decision was one that was not made.

 

Most CEO get their pay approved from the board of directors.. When the board of directors are your super rich friends you lose sight of the people below you.

[John Bacon]

But John, come on........you were the one that said CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits.

 

To be more precise, I stated that studies have shown that CEOs tend to have psycopathic traits. I am not posting my opinions or my personal experience; I am pointing out the results found my by the people who have studied the issue. I have posted a few links and some quotes from them below If you typed CEO & psychopath into Google you could come up with many more.

 

"Why (Some) Psychopaths Make Great CEOs"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/#79fbe5024fac

 

 

"CEO is the profession with the most psychopaths."

 

http://time.com/32647/which-professions-have-the-most-psychopaths-the-fewest/

 

 

"10 Careers With the Most Psychopaths

1. CEO."

 

http://www.alternet.org/culture/10-careers-most-psychopaths

[John Bacon]

I have worked with many CEO's of multi-billion dollar companies. I know what the trait is that makes a CEO. Its a drive to succeed and advance no matter what

 

They never turn off, its a special drive that can not be learned. It's not a lack of empathy its just the ability to move on, not dwell on decisions. The worst decision was one that was not made.

 

Most CEO get their pay approved from the board of directors.. When the board of directors are your super rich friends you lose sight of the people below you.

I would trust the results of studies over anecdotal evidence. Perhaps none of the ones that you met are psycopaths. However, the studies that I have read indicate that CEOs are more likely to be psycopaths than any other profession. That doesn't mean that they are all psycopaths; just a higher percentage than other professions.

 

Like I said previously, I am just the messenger. A quick Google search will indicate will allow you to read the information from people who have taken the time to study the issue.

[netminder]

 

 

This post is complete nonsense. Some people value time over money. I'd rather make enough to get by and have time to see my family, loved ones and occasionally go fishing and go for a hike rather then working 100 hours a week to make a 6 figured income.

 

Yes, you want to be a CEO? Go to University for 10 years, get your PHD, rack up $250 000 worth of student loans. Work your butt off, and graduate the top of your class. Then take an unpaid internship for the next 2 years while you take another $50 000 loan and work nights and weekends to be able to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head. Then after all of that, the company (or companies) tell you they have put out a hiring freeze and currently don't have a position available.

 

Mister G, what you speak of is a well thought out plan on paper. But it is very very risky. A lot of things can go wrong along this timeline from starting your BA to getting that high paying job. The biggest problem is that if anything bad or catastrophic or tough luck comes along, you are screwed. You're sky diving without a parachute.

 

I've never wanted to be rich. I'm not a thrill seeker and the risks scare me too much. Let me do my 9-5 with the occasional 9-7 or 9-9 with my occasional weekend off so I can go fishing and I'll be happy.

 

On a happier note, we had a tree planting event yesterday where we had about 20 students grades 6-9 come out and plant trees for us. Lots of hard digging, dirty work and way more trees then I thought they would be able to plant. The kids loved it and were sad we didn't have more for them to do. The next generation isn't screwed just yet. There are still some good prospects coming up through the pipeline.

Or you could do as most do and be well connected enough to be placed in those positions. Not too often, unless you are crazy enough about your profession to get a startup and build it into a fortune 500 company will you be able to make it as a CEO without having some sort of connections. And no, those connections aren't just made out of the blue by "pounding the pavement". Family ties, friends of family, etc. are where they come from. The rich keep the rich at the top.

 

I think I'm in the same mind set as you, Jeremy. I'd rather do what I have to do to keep my bosses and clients happy and appreciate the fruits of my labour rather than working myself to the bone and giving myself an aneurysm or heart attack by the time I'm 40. I think this is a new mindset that has been instilled in this generation. What's the point in making all that money if you never get to enjoy it. I think we've looked back on the capitalist ideal from the 80's and 90's and seen how that's broken so many people. It's also probably why a lot of us area leaning towards socialism and why everyone my age seems to love the messages from Trudeau and Bernie Sanders.

 

As a generation, we've been taught from an early age to love what we do. Ours is a pursuit of happiness above all, more than money, power or influence. A lot of us don't mind getting our hands dirty, but I don't know if it's necessarily enrolment that's reducing the shop classes in schools. Health and safety regulations and operating costs most definitely are limiting factors. That, and parents who told us they wished they had gone to university and pushed it on a lot of their kids even if they didn't have a clue why they were going, or what they hoped to get out of it.

[Dontcryformejanhrdina]

I'm 30, I've seen it both ways. Young (and not so young) employees expecting promotions to just be handed to them.

 

My first "job" was when I was pretty young, walking a dog for an elderly neighbour. For $1 a day. Then I worked for another neighbour doing yard work, cutting wood, clearing brush, masonry work, general labourer stuff for $5 an hour when I started. It was hard work too but I was glad to have it. Taught me a lot of things too. It was hard when I moved out and went to college, I haven't taken a dime from anyone so I made my own way. I had some set backs and changes of plane but I worked hard and things turned out well in the long run.

 

Now I'm married, my wife and I just bought our first home last fall. We both work hard, I work and extra shift every single week. I make decent money for where we live but nothing crazy. We have a nice home on almost 16 acres. A boat I payed cash for, her car is paid off, my truck will be in the near future too. We're not rich by any means but life is pretty damn good and we manage just fine living within our means. It might not be what it was 30-40 years ago but it's still not impossible to make a living if you work hard.

[Dutch01]

But John, come on........you were the one that said CEO's tend to have psychopathic traits.

It's fair to say that response was a little lazy, but you really only need to type two words to verify what he is saying. I'll make it easy for ya:

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ceo+psychopathy

[Acountdeleted]

Or you could do as most do and be well connected enough to be placed in those positions. Not too often, unless you are crazy enough about your profession to get a startup and build it into a fortune 500 company will you be able to make it as a CEO without having some sort of connections. And no, those connections aren't just made out of the blue by "pounding the pavement". Family ties, friends of family, etc. are where they come from. The rich keep the rich at the top.

 

I think I'm in the same mind set as you, Jeremy. I'd rather do what I have to do to keep my bosses and clients happy and appreciate the fruits of my labour rather than working myself to the bone and giving myself an aneurysm or heart attack by the time I'm 40. I think this is a new mindset that has been instilled in this generation. What's the point in making all that money if you never get to enjoy it. I think we've looked back on the capitalist ideal from the 80's and 90's and seen how that's broken so many people. It's also probably why a lot of us area leaning towards socialism and why everyone my age seems to love the messages from Trudeau and Bernie Sanders.

 

As a generation, we've been taught from an early age to love what we do. Ours is a pursuit of happiness above all, more than money, power or influence. A lot of us don't mind getting our hands dirty, but I don't know if it's necessarily enrolment that's reducing the shop classes in schools. Health and safety regulations and operating costs most definitely are limiting factors. That, and parents who told us they wished they had gone to university and pushed it on a lot of their kids even if they didn't have a clue why they were going, or what they hoped to get out of it.

This is really well written and really speaks to me. About 3 years ago I decided to Persuit the almighty dollar to Edmonton. I got a full time gig with a consulting firm at a salary I couldn't refuse. So I packed up and moved away from everything I loved.

 

A year of 20 days on 4 days off and 12 hour days I had more money then I knew what to do with and I was miserable. I had made no friends outside of work, hobbies were based around when I could fit them in and days off were spent being exhausted, cleaning and dreading going back to work.

 

So I moved back to southern Ontario I make less then half of what I made in Edmonton but I play badminton with my mom on Mondays, check out the baseball/hockey games once a week with my dad and fish weekend. I'm happier now and wouldn't trade it for anything.

 

P's- Netminder, let's go fishing sometime bud. I feel like we'd get along well.

[netminder]

This is really well written and really speaks to me. About 3 years ago I decided to Persuit the almighty dollar to Edmonton. I got a full time gig with a consulting firm at a salary I couldn't refuse. So I packed up and moved away from everything I loved.

 

A year of 20 days on 4 days off and 12 hour days I had more money then I knew what to do with and I was miserable. I had made no friends outside of work, hobbies were based around when I could fit them in and days off were spent being exhausted, cleaning and dreading going back to work.

 

So I moved back to southern Ontario I make less then half of what I made in Edmonton but I play badminton with my mom on Mondays, check out the baseball/hockey games once a week with my dad and fish weekend. I'm happier now and wouldn't trade it for anything.

 

P's- Netminder, let's go fishing sometime bud. I feel like we'd get along well.

This thread was the last place I figured I'd make any friends lol.

 

Seriously though, if you're ever looking for someone to fish with, shoot me a PM.

[misfish]

 

P's- Netminder, let's go fishing sometime bud. I feel like we'd get along well.

 

 

.

 

Seriously though, if you're ever looking for someone to fish with, shoot me a PM.

 

I,ll be keeping an eye on my white fish spot you two,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Mister G]

 

 

This post is complete nonsense. Some people value time over money. I'd rather make enough to get by and have time to see my family, loved ones and occasionally go fishing and go for a hike rather then working 100 hours a week to make a 6 figured income.

 

Yes, you want to be a CEO? Go to University for 10 years, get your PHD, rack up $250 000 worth of student loans. Work your butt off, and graduate the top of your class. Then take an unpaid internship for the next 2 years while you take another $50 000 loan and work nights and weekends to be able to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head. Then after all of that, the company (or companies) tell you they have put out a hiring freeze and currently don't have a position available.

 

Mister G, what you speak of is a well thought out plan on paper. But it is very very risky. A lot of things can go wrong along this timeline from starting your BA to getting that high paying job. The biggest problem is that if anything bad or catastrophic or tough luck comes along, you are screwed. You're sky diving without a parachute.

 

I've never wanted to be rich. I'm not a thrill seeker and the risks scare me too much. Let me do my 9-5 with the occasional 9-7 or 9-9 with my occasional weekend off so I can go fishing and I'll be happy.

 

On a happier note, we had a tree planting event yesterday where we had about 20 students grades 6-9 come out and plant trees for us. Lots of hard digging, dirty work and way more trees then I thought they would be able to plant. The kids loved it and were sad we didn't have more for them to do. The next generation isn't screwed just yet. There are still some good prospects coming up through the pipeline.

I must be really lucky because I have two sons that did it and are living very happy and comfortably.......

[aplumma]

Success is something that everyone has the potential to achieve but most find a reason or an excuse not to obtain it. If you want to have more money than you have now you need to work smarter and or harder. I could have settles for being lead plumbing mechanic for a big company and would have done very well in life.It was not my goal my goal was to own my own company and make the decisions and take the risks that have given me the life I have now. For some success is a big pile of money and for another it is lots of time for family. Both have a value a large family will support you in your old age and a big portfolio will do the same. Just because someone chooses a path that is not the one you took does not make it the wrong path. In the same case though to complain about the path you took " lots of family with no money or the other view lots of money no family" and complain because someone worked and has money just makes you look small minded. Yes a few people will be envious of the great family you have but will usually not voice it in public. A lot of people need to ignore the fact someone else has more of something and instead strive to achieve what they want in life.

 

 

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