manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) It's sad to see prohibition and the lack of knowledge here. That said. Taking opiates is a far better option and driving is it then? ..May cause drowsiness after all, and "to be careful operating machinery." It's an adult decision Not one that gets decided for people by others who think they know better but choose not to look into the who deal. They have laws for impaired driving and tests for such but that's not enough I guess. You can be charged driving under any narcotic. Narcotic is a really crappy definition, basically just means any medication/drug or supplement that causes drowsiness. If your on the road swerving and get pulled over, and say your sick and have taken Nyquil, said officer has every reason to charge you with impaired driving Edited October 31, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 And thats why in certain places, possetion of marijuana had such a harsh penalty. In parts of the US its narcotic so it falls under shedule 3 drug(same as heroin etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 There are a whole lot of reasons you can be charged----sleep deprivation is just 1. It doesn't matter hoaw the driver got in the impaired state---just that he/she has gotten there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I believe "narcotic", last I heard, was undergoing either a change in definitions or was going to be entered into a narcotic classification system dependant on strength etc. Its crazy to think marijuana is held the same as heroin etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 You can be charged driving under any narcotic. Narcotic is a really crappy definition, basically just means any medication/drug or supplement that causes drowsiness. If your on the road swerving and get pulled over, and say your sick and have taken Nyquil, said officer has every reason to charge you with impaired driving yes. that is what I was trying to point out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerritt Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Then us shift workers who work 12 hour nights are screwed! Can you really be charged with fatigue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes.. careless driving G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes.. careless driving G. I think they can charged you with impaired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Then us shift workers who work 12 hour nights are screwed! Can you really be charged with fatigue? Absolutely! But its unlikely to be that tired after a 12 hour shift. However, if you cause an accident, they might make a judgement call on that It also minimizes your defense. If your fatigued, on medication or whatever, police will more than likely, discredit your words on the event that happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 yes, heroin could be added to hash or hash oil certainly....but straight up pot.... this is just fear mongering! back in the early 70's we had Nepalese Temple Balls, streaks of opium through a high grade hash, nothing new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think they can charged you with impaired Both actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) back in the early 70's we had Nepalese Temple Balls, streaks of opium through a high grade hash, nothing new Well technically opium is not heroin, but I get your point (For the record heroin is up to 5x more potent of an opiate than opium) Opium is actually a natural product of poppies Herion is a synthetic drug called diacytelmorphine, a highly standerdized version. Opium being natural, contains non synthetic forms of morphine, thebaine, codeine and noscapine Edited October 31, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerritt Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) That sucks for all us industrial workers who do continentals.. Coppers should set up shop outside our gate! Edited October 31, 2015 by Gerritt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 That sucks for all us industrial workers who do continentals.. Coppers should set up shop outside our gate! Why??? Your way less likely to drive wrecklessly after a 12 hour shift then the others presented. And you have to prove fatigue, which is almost impossible until you have A drove wrecklessly B caused and accident C got a confession(youd half to be a real halfwit to admit this without a or b as part of the equation, even then...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) A perfect example is heavy equipment operators. If you were that tired your actually breaking the law at your worksite. Has any operator ever been charged on site for driving while fatigued(without an accident of course), Id highly doubt it. Possible but VERY unlikely Ive worked 16 hour days and drove home another 4 hours and been perfectly fine. See double or get blurry vision??? Pull over immediately Edited October 31, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) back in the early 70's we had Nepalese Temple Balls, streaks of opium through a high grade hash, nothing new urban Myth. More likely mold. People did not know what good pure hash was back then. So they said it was opium that did that to them. Like they put strychnine in LSD. along the same lines Edited October 31, 2015 by GbayGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Is that anything like Lebanese blonde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Is that anything like Lebanese blonde? Thats some good,I mean was some good s,,,,,,,,,,,,t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 A little topic drift happening here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 It's sad to see prohibition and the lack of knowledge here. That said. Taking opiates is a far better option and driving is it then? ..May cause drowsiness after all, and "to be careful operating machinery." It's an adult decision Not one that gets decided for people by others who think they know better but choose not to look into the who deal. They have laws for impaired driving and tests for such but that's not enough I guess. See, the pot of today really is stronger than the 70s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Im gonna go on abit of a rant here. One of the reasons marijuana is so safe and effective is because of its make up of active ingredients. Things found in nature most often produce checks and balances. Cannabis contains somewhere around 80 active ingredients, including flavanoids. Synthetic drugs, heroin for example, is a highly concentrated extract containing one ingredient Same with other synthetics for the nost part(always some exceptions) A good example to the effect/cause is antidepressive medications in the selective serotinin reuptake inhibitors class(SSRIs) Because the neuro anatomy is wildly fluctuated between every human, the drug itself is highly unstable. Might help one person, kill ten, make things worse for 60, etc. Because there is no way to see the amount of neurotransmittors active in a human, you 100% cannot know what is causing depressive symptoms and the like. Cannabis is much more effective because of its high amount of active ingredients(checks and balances) it binds to receptors signalling the brain to produce neurotransmittors of imblances within the persons neuroanatomy( it might raise dopamine and suppress serotonin, or vice versa, dependant on need) So does it work 100% of the time in a positive way, absolutely not. But cannabis has WAY higher potential to be positively effective then other drugs for this very reason. If you suffer back pain, and im your dr, and i say I can give you one of two medications. A is effective 80% of the time(without major side effects) B is effective 5% of the time but might kill you What do you honestly choose? Edited October 31, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) For your reading pleasure http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm Edited October 31, 2015 by Old Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Do you really think Justin will read all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerritt Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Do you really think Justin will read all of this? If he does he will know where to get the good stuff from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) For your reading pleasure http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm I applaud the effort, but as per my knowledge, I can already see numerous flaws in this paper based on a handful of studies 1. It is not double randomized placebo controlled 2. It does nothing to take into factor a high amount of issues before, during or after(such as hereditary disease, exposure to other inhalants, race etc) 3. The amount of tar from marijuana needs to be compared directly to cigaretters in a controlled manner. Ie. Most tobacco smokers might smoke 24 in a day, some marijuana users might smoke 3 joints per day I can go on and on but a simple paper on flawed studies scientifically is equal to toilet paper. And it can also be construde as propaganda Edited October 31, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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