manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 No all heroin is tar heroin. You could probably dissolve the heroin in a solvent (i'm not sure whether heroin is alcohol soluble, but if so you could use ISO), the spray the weed and let the alcohol evap. Any chemists in here? The point is, no one is going to go to that trouble to "try to hook someone on weed ". That's reefer madness level propaganda right there. Yes, organic chemist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) no one will take something worth 100 dollars, add another hundred dollars to it and sell it for 100 dollars. When they can sell each separate and make a killing. That's how business works after all. Edited October 31, 2015 by GbayGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, organic chemist So is what I described possible or is there another way? Trust me, I'm not trying to learn how! Just curious since its part of the discussion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Nobody would lace marijuana with heroin(as a dealer, nor cocaine) Its usually the individual that does it themselves. Ive smoked marijuana with cocaine and in no way is it pleasurable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 When I was certified, I had a license to purchase drugs "for scientific purposes". Same with how universities obtain drugs. Ive never ordered heroin, but it is listed as an off white powder(similar to cocaine, well pure cocaine is actually yellow but anyhow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 So is what I described possible or is there another way? Trust me, I'm not trying to learn how! Just curious since its part of the discussion.... Absolutely! Then its up to the chemist, or "kitchen chemist" to make the conversions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 People do add heroin into hash oil or marijuana resin to spread and a rolling paper to smoke with tobacco or marijuana. Youde no doubt be an addict to be at that stage. Thats not recreational in the least bit In chemistry, soooo many possibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 This is a little off base but just to give an example. Amphetamines are illegal. But a compound called phenyethylamine is not(because it occurs in nature, heck its even in real chocolate) can be used to make almost any of the amphetamine class of drugs You can even get an altered version at any health food store in weight loss products, by the name of BPEA, or betaphenylethyalamine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Ain't chemistry grand??? Lol okay I don't want to get this thread locked. I think the point is made and I'm moving on from lacing weed, opiates and chemistry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acountdeleted Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Also, why add coke or heroin to "get people hooked on weed"? Coke and heroin are top of the list already, while weed isn't even on it: https://dreamcenterforrecovery.com/10-hardest-drugs-quit/ Notice what else is on the list? Why is nobody that is anti-pot not also arguing for the prohibition of alcohol and tobacco? Duplicity at its best. You guys went the opposite direction of the point I was trying to make. you lace weed with another drug. Person smokes weed says 'that was good. What is it?' Dealer says 'that's heroin' person says 'oh'. Starts thinking about it, wants more. Dealer charges the regular price for heroin. Customer for life. That is how, when illigal, marijuana is a gateway drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 You guys went the opposite direction of the point I was trying to make. you lace weed with another drug. Person smokes weed says 'that was good. What is it?' Dealer says 'that's heroin' person says 'oh'. Starts thinking about it, wants more. Dealer charges the regular price for heroin. Customer for life. That is how, when illigal, marijuana is a gateway drug. still on about this? no one will take something worth 100 dollars, add another hundred dollars to it and sell it for 100 dollars. When they can sell each separate and make a killing. That's how business works after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acountdeleted Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 still on about this? Why not? People keep responding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 someone I fished with this year (NO it wasn't Chris Brock ) has a medical issue and uses medicinal marijuana to control his symptoms. He had a vaporizer and was using it pretty regularly every day on our trip. Marzana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 yes, heroin could be added to hash or hash oil certainly....but straight up pot.... this is just fear mongering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) yes, heroin could be added to hash or hash oil certainly....but straight up pot.... this is just fear mongering! 100% fear mongering Edited October 31, 2015 by GbayGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehg Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 More like a letter to OFC than anything. Lots of squabbling online here. That is how, when illigal, marijuana is a gateway drug. Alcohol is the 'gateway' drug. Coca-cola got its name from....back a century ago or so. People were doing cocaine and heroin way back 60-70 yrs. ago back in the jazz era, before marijuana was around much. Alcohol always has been main party fuel, then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I remember reading a comparison between Holland the USA a few years ago. Marijuana use in both countries was similar; but the USA had a higher percentage of harder drug users. The theory presented was that the dealers in Holland only sold marijuana while US dealers also sold harder drugs. Since marijuana was legal in Holland, and harder drugs were not, the dealers would not want risk their legal business by selling illegal drugs. In the USA where dealers were already breaking the law by selling marijuana they were more likely to also sell harder drugs. The US dealers didn't have a legal business to risk. Since the dealers in Holland were unlikely to sell harder drugs, pot users were less likely to graduate to other drugs. The availability of a legal high to customers probably made them less likely to experiment with illegal drugs as well. In Holland the customers are not taking a legal risk by using marijuana; however, they would be if they tried harder drugs. In the USA the dealers are already taking a legal risk by selling marijuana. Likewise users are also taking a legal risk by buying a using it. There is not a lot of additional legal risk by graduating to harder drugs. All of this resulting in fewer users from Holland graduating to harder drugs. Hopefully, legalization in Canada can lead to lower usage of some other drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Kinda like drinking in Canada. There's no need to consume Moonshine, unless you go to a Lakair G2G ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Kinda like drinking in Canada. There's no need to consume Moonshine, unless you go to a Lakair G2G ! He Heee how does something like that happen? The chemical issue in pot is when the garage dealer tries to make his pot better using unknown chemicals. The spraying of bug killer,paraquat and adding PCP and other cheap chemicals change the taste and consistency of the smoke. Mind you that my experience with it was back in the late 70's so I a sure it has changed. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 He Heee how does something like that happen? The chemical issue in pot is when the garage dealer tries to make his pot better using unknown chemicals. The spraying of bug killer,paraquat and adding PCP and other cheap chemicals change the taste and consistency of the smoke. Mind you that my experience with it was back in the late 70's so I a sure it has changed. Art Zero need to alter marijuana these days The strains are FAR more potent then the 70's That 70s weed is now called ditch weed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Zero need to alter marijuana these days The strains are FAR more potent then the 70's That 70s weed is now called ditch weed That is very true. I don't smoke any more but had an opportunity this summer. The smoke of today is like the heavy drugs of the 70s. All the pot heads will say that they can function after smoking a joint because they are used to it. Sure you can. Now tell me you would be happy to be on the 400 knowing it was full of highly experienced pot head drivers that has just smoked a joint each. There is absolutely no way we can EVER allow driving on this stuff. Zero tolerance I s the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerritt Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 ^^^agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Its already impaired driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GbayGiant Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 It's sad to see prohibition and the lack of knowledge here. That said. Taking opiates is a far better option and driving is it then? ..May cause drowsiness after all, and "to be careful operating machinery." It's an adult decision Not one that gets decided for people by others who think they know better but choose not to look into the who deal. They have laws for impaired driving and tests for such but that's not enough I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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