captpierre Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 So did my usual winterizing of my 115 and put her to bed. Then took her out again with the nice fall weather. Didn't use the live wells. Do I need to re squirt fogging oil into the cylinders again and turn her over a bit? And do I need to pump more antifreeze into the front and back live well system after not turning pump on since winterizing with antifreeze. Feeling kinda lazy but want to do it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) By running it, the fogging you did a couple weeks ago is now useless. edit- like Wayne and Mike I don't fog my 4 stroke either, always premium (no ethanol) gas, last tank with Stabil I don't fog 2 strokes either, premium gas, Stabil, and a cap full of oil down the spark plug hole and pull it over a few times. Edited November 15, 2015 by chris.brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeytier Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well yes, if you have gas in the motor and fuel lines and no fogging oil, it's not winterized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) Why I cap my livewell intake ports after winterizeing and as for fogging, unless you're storing beyond next summer, I wouldn't be bothered with fogging a 4 stroke. Quick check of your lower unit oil for water (pull lower plug.. look.. feel oil.. put back plug). Presuming that you put stabil in your last fuel fill you're good, otherwise you need to go fishing again! Edited November 15, 2015 by irishfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Never fogged a 4 stroke before... Just stabilizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) my livewell pipes (both the intake and drain) empty when I pull the boat out of the water. I still pour antifreeze in just in case there's something in the pump, but you could likely get away with just turning it on for a second to run air through it. Edited November 15, 2015 by cram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 my livewell pipes (both the intake and drain) empty when I pull the boat out of the water. I still pour antifreeze in just in case, but it does seem kind of pointless. Unless you can see the plumbing, there could be a low spot. Easy and cheap, I'd still pour in some antifreeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captpierre Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 I've always wondered about the fogging oil. Seems only the bottom side of the cylinder gets the benefit after I squirt it in. Unlike the old 2 stroke where I sprayed it into the running carbs and drowned her. Using a funnel and hose I pour antifreeze into the rear live well intake and run the pump first to the front well. Then close the front well valve and open the rear valve. I doubt any water gas gone into the pump and plumbing after not running the pump since winterizing. But I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 IF you didn't cap that intake, then just putting the boat in the water refilled the pump and lines to the hull water line. Pending how your thru hull pump is mounted, and how the hoses go forward from it, they could hold some water. I know the way mine run that the boat ramp isn't steep enough to empty the hose running to the front live well. (why I cap them before fall Musky fishing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Unless you can see the plumbing, there could be a low spot. Easy and cheap, I'd still pour in some antifreeze. I can see the plumbing. I pour it anyway in case there's something left in the intake pump. Seems pointless, but you never know. Edited my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captpierre Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's a Lund and the rail slope to the boathouse is pretty steep but I'll re winterizing the wells. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Better safe than sorry. If the pump or hose cracks open the boat sinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spincast Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 sweet ride. do the antifreeze thing - cheap insurance, I cap off the outlets, duct tape the intake screens and splash well holes as well - just so the mice don't see a potential doorway to a luxury winter condo. Fingers crossed, so far that seems to have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Do you have a compressor. If so you could just blow out the lines with compressed air. I have been doing this for many many years without any problems. And I always fog my outboard before I put it away for the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormdunker Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cheap insurance to fog the engine & pour some anti freeze into the water lines. I do it every fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeytier Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Why not fog a 4stroke? Seems like the heads and pistons would be just as susceptible to corrosion/rust as a 2stroke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Why not fog a 4stroke? Seems like the heads and pistons would be just as susceptible to corrosion/rust as a 2stroke? The theory behind not having to fog a 4 stroker is because the internal engine parts are already coated / protected with crankcase oil while a 2 stroker is not............but depending on the engine this could be a false pretense because of piston ring blow-by with fuel washing down the cylinder walls and thus your engine in not getting the protection it needs and you think you are getting. Fogging a 4 stroke is still a good idea IMHO.......but do what you want because you are going to anyways.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well I have a four stroke 50hp 2011yamaha outboard and I was speaking with a few Yamaha marine mechanics about that issue to fog or not to fog ?? And they both said basically if it's not going to be stored longer than 6months that it will not need it ... Like Wayne said top it up with premium gas run top quality fuel stabilizer through it make sure water is all drained fresh oil up top & check gear case oil fill it with fresh oil and maybe a corrosion spray on everything and put it away !!!! I have done the above for several years and no issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lape0019 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 My Mercury manual specifically states not to fog the engine. It is a fourtroke. It states if you want to add anything, add a little of the crankcase oil. I don't fog, my marina recommends I don't do anything so All I do is change the oils and rund 91 (all of the time) with fuel stabilizer and quick kleen through her. I do not bother with Antifreeze in my live well pumps either. But, I can see where my pumps are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I've never fogged an engine in my life. My 20 year old outboard runs like a top. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I use a product called Storage Seal, just remove the 4 plugs, give a squirt into each cylinder and replace the plugs. Hit the key for 2 seconds and it's good to go for the winter. Been doing this with a couple 4 strokes for the last 15 years and never an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobkayla Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 As far as livewell lines freezing ,,,,my garden hose has water in the bottom of it hanging on the clip,,,never split the hose,,,don't worry about your lines they will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Well when your $350 thru hull pump splits in half and your boat sinks, don't call me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 As far as livewell lines freezing ,,,,my garden hose has water in the bottom of it hanging on the clip,,,never split the hose,,,don't worry about your lines they will be fine Garden hoses are usually flexible and can expand with the ice. The hoses in your boat, not to mention the pumps, may not be so foregiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Well when your $350 thru hull pump splits in half and your boat sinks, don't call me. WOW, somebody has been taking you to the cleaners for a bilge or livewell pump. I can put one in for around $50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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