Is fishing trout beads essentially flossing/snagging?

[Jarfish]

So I was out in the boat with a buddy of mine and he was mentioning a way his friend fishes. He was saying his friend float fishes with a trout bead about 2 inches above the hook and that it keeps the fish from getting gut hooked so he can release them if he wants. I guess the fish hits the bead and the hook catches him just in the corner of the mouth. I'm kind of on the fence with this as it's not a super long leader so the fish is actually trying to bite the bait but its also hooking outside of the mouth I would assume, which is snagging to me..I guess either way the regs say if its not in the mouth it's snagging and must be released. Whats you guys take on it? Here's a 14 min video that makes it seem a legitimate tactic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_8uBBNTI4c

[Christopheraaron]

No.

[dave524]

The regs say in the mouth, not inside the mouth. Most fish I get on a stickbait like a Rapala, with 2 or 3 trebles will have a hook somewhere outside of the actual mouth, guess they are all snagged too

[Jarfish]

Most of the time when I get a fish on a Rapala or any 2-3 hook lures at least 1 of the hooks is "inside" the mouth, and if there wasn't yes i would consider that a snagged fish and throw it back.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Jakefromcollingwood

[Rich]

The cheater hook above your main hook with the bead above is certainly setup for flossing under the float. I've been explained the dynamics a few times. Steelheaders make it sound better... But that is definitely what they're doing.

[miller]

Really? Hahahaha wow...

[crappieperchhunter]

I have never done it or seen the set up....but the lack of feedback from the hard core trout guys on here pretty much confirms what I already thought of the rig.

 

It appears to be the river version of those nasty side hooks on the williams for ice fishing....nudge, nudge,wink,wink.

[Ralph Field]

Not flossing at all, the intent is to catch fish without hooking them deeply so they may be released without harm. I have yet to catch a fish on a bead with the hook outside of the mouth, but I can see it happening. Now that I've said this I'll likely start catching them with the hook outside the mouth and have to continue to release them for a different reason.

[laszlo]

No it is not flossing.

 

All my fish on beads are hooked inside the mouth and all are released successfully

because the hook isn't deep in its throat.

Edited October 11, 2013 by laszlo

[crappieperchhunter]

No it is not flossing.

 

All my fish on beads are hooked inside the mouth and all are released successfully

because the hook isn't deep in its throat.

When is the hook ever deep in the throat when you fish under a float? I have never seen that happen...ever...for trout or any other species I've fished under a float.

 

Edit to add. Except for Northerns using minnows under a float.

Edited October 11, 2013 by crappieperchhunter

[DRIFTER_016]

No it is not flossing at all.

The reason for the gap between the hook and bead is to make the bead look more like a natural egg.

This is key when fishing pressured fish.

I fish the Kenai River in Alaska every fall and bead fishing was invented here.

They estimate that each trout and dolly in the river (90 miles long) gets caught 20 times per year!!!

The fish have seen a lot of baits over the years and can be very selective.

You can tell when your bead has slipped down to the hook as you will stop getting hits.

[bare foot wader]

no, beads aren't flossing, the fish hit them becasue they are a natural, finesse single egg presentation....they can be used to floss, just like any other bait, just depends on the angler holding the rod

 

if you fish steelhead/salmon you WILL occasionally floss a fish, it's part of the game, get used to the idea or give up fishing....no different than snagging a walleye or bass in the back with a rapala, which I think most guys have done a few times over the years

[blaque]

Ive only bead fished a time or two, but dont see how it can be considered "flossing" based on the rig itself

[Dozer]

Why would you waste a bead if you wanted to floss? lol

 

The hook is a short distance away from the bead so the hook is well exposed ( increase the chances of a good hook up ) The fish attack the beads for food or to increase chances the survival of their own progeny by destroying other eggs. Beads are great and at times, outperform anything else presented.

[mike rousseau]

If I understand the OPs thinking here....

 

It would appear that the trout eats the bead and when the angler sets into the fish.... The hook then makes contact with the fish....

 

I would think when any decent size trout takes a bead the hook would get sucked in its mouth with the bead... There's only a 2" gap from what I've read....

[crappieperchhunter]

If I understand the OPs thinking here....

 

It would appear that the trout eats the bead and when the angler sets into the fish.... The hook then makes contact with the fish....

 

I would think when any decent size trout takes a bead the hook would get sucked in its mouth with the bead... There's only a 2" gap from what I've read....

So it is essentially the same concept as a hair rig for carp fishing? The fish sucks in the hook on the take, or is the hook raked into the fishes mouth when the fisherman sets the hook? Anyone wanna chime in and educate me/us some more?

[blaque]

The fish takes the bead, the fisherman sets the hook, the fish gets caught...........i think thats about it

[mike rousseau]

So it is essentially the same concept as a hair rig for carp fishing? The fish sucks in the hook on the take, or is the hook raked into the fishes mouth when the fisherman sets the hook? Anyone wanna chime in and educate me/us some more?

 

That's what it seams like to me...

 

No different then a carp rig....

 

Or a spoon with a bait less dropper hook..

[JoshS]

What's the big deal?? The fish went for the bait, hit the bead. That is fishing... fooling a fish into eating your lure. It is not anything like snagging.

[misfish]

My set up now a days, is to have a bead on my line at all times. Weather it be 2 inches above the hook,or slide it way up 12 inches to the lowest shot.

It,s not that I am flossing,but just saves from retieing.

 

When I put the bead up that high,it,s only because I,m drifting a roe sac or a worm.

 

Then again,,,,,,,,,,

 

I will run a bright pink bead in dirty waters about 6 inches up,BUT,theres a sac or worm on the hook. To me,it adds a better visual for the fish.

 

Second year for me trying the bead method. Caught 2 fish so far,and both were IN the yap..

 

To answer your ?

 

 

NO

Edited October 11, 2013 by Misfish

[porkpie]

Beads can be a flossing tool, that doesn't mean they are one. I have caught fish on beads, and have watched people catch on bead, even in some pretty deep holes and wAter where lining woulld be difficult if not impossible. I have also watched guys fish mega long leads in clear water on spooked fish in shallow runs and "I believe" they where flossing, and frankly I am pretty sure they knew what they where doing. Beads catch fish, if you don't believe they do, then you've never fished a single egg bite! But, when the float drops you'd better hit em fast, as they don't seem to hold it like a bag.

[Garnet]

I contacted Wil Wegman on this issue. He said MNR had a 6 page document on legal not legal.

 

And it was legal with some interpretation.

 

Just from experience if MNR wrote 6 pages their will be 15 loopholes. Still would like to read it myself.

[misfish]

 

 

Beads catch fish, if you don't believe they do, then you've never fished a single egg bite!

 

 

THANK YOU.

 

Single egg bite .

 

Now theres some memories.

 

Slow moving current,single boiled egg(salmon egg) KILLER.

[JoshS]

I don't see any issue. There's a big difference between lining a fish vs getting a fish to bite a bead. One is snagging, the other is fishing.

[davey buoy]

I don't see any issue. There's a big difference between lining a fish vs getting a fish to bite a bead. One is snagging, the other is fishing.

I think you pretty well summed that up!!!