Tybo Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 What are you putting it on? Cause if your looking for performance the verado wont touch the etec. Fuel economy is about a wash and the etec uses very little oil. Like guys said you need your dealer close. I'm not sure what this means.I can't see how a super charged engine will not preform as good or better then a two stroke. I have a 200,4 cylinder verado on a 19' lund pro V.With 15 gallons of fuel and myself.It will almost launch the boat out of the water. It is so good on fuel,That I had to keep tapping on the gauge to make sure it was working. If I went back to a 2 stroke,I stay with a merc. In the world of outboard drag racing.Merc is still number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Bag Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Where is there less maintenance in a 2 stroke? How much more is the rigid and costly maintenance schedule for a 4 stroke? How much heavier are 4 strokes compared to 2 strokes? I think it's about time you read up on the answers instead of the 2 stroke vs 4 stroke cow paddy. I've run two strokes for forty years and my maintenace shedule has been the occasional set of plugs. The occasional impeller. Change the gear oil and check for water at the end of every season and motor on. Oh yeah, one fuel pump diaphram in my '73 Johnson. What part of "hear say" don't you understand? There's a fellow up on our lake that runs a 250 Verado on a 21' foot bass boat. It was he that told me that frequently (based on engine hours) he had to take it into the dealer for inspection and adjustments. He said if he didn't do so his warranty would be voided. All I did was suggest that the original poster look into it. A 200 Verado is a four cylinder and it out weighs the 6 cylinder etech by almost 100 lbs. I would imagine too that they are squeezing the guts out of a four cylinder to make 200 horsepower. Bombardier Recreational Poducts (BRP) states that their e tech engines need not be touched in the first three years. See what Mercury has to say about theirs. That's all I was suggesting. There is less maintenance in a two stroke simply because there are fewer moving parts. Less wear. Less breakage. As far as "cow paddy" ? Whatever!! We spend tens of thousands of dollars for our boats and a truck to pull them, huge amounts of money for the electronics to navigate the boat and find the fish, 100's of dollars a year for the gas, much more for the yearly insurance, then boat ramp fees every week and a small fortune for our tackle and who knows what other expenses. The amount of money to maintain a 4 stroke motor over the course of a year, compared to all the other expenses we have, is so small it's hardly even worth talking about. Obviously your budget can be stretched a whole lot further than mine. I cringe everytime I pull up to the gas pumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirk Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm not sure what this means.I can't see how a super charged engine will not preform as good or better then a two stroke. I have a 200,4 cylinder verado on a 19' lund pro V.With 15 gallons of fuel and myself.It will almost launch the boat out of the water. It is so good on fuel,That I had to keep tapping on the gauge to make sure it was working. If I went back to a 2 stroke,I stay with a merc. In the world of outboard drag racing.Merc is still number one. If he is putting on a performance hull like a glass bass boat the etec will out holeshot out midrange and out topend the verado. If its going on a tin or v pad glass hull than it doesnt matter neither are designed for performance per say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 If he is putting on a performance hull like a glass bass boat the etec will out holeshot out midrange and out topend the verado. If its going on a tin or v pad glass hull than it doesnt matter neither are designed for performance per say I suspect most people here really couldn't give a rats gluteuous maximus how high the boat will launch or torpedo going down the lake. There's always someone that will try and make more noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I look at it this way, if 2 strokes of any description(etec, no tech, whatever) were that good, they'd be putting 2 strokes in cars and trucks. Hmmm, anyone heard any rumours lately.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I look at it this way, if 2 strokes of any description(etec, no tech, whatever) were that good, they'd be putting 2 strokes in cars and trucks. Hmmm, anyone heard any rumours lately.. Watch for this from HONDA..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Watch for this from HONDA..... Are you "hearing" things again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Bag Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I look at it this way, if 2 strokes of any description(etec, no tech, whatever) were that good, they'd be putting 2 strokes in cars and trucks. Hmmm, anyone heard any rumours lately.. http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/26262/ http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03/pivotal_piston_.html http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10413645-48.html And you tell me I need to read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Holeshot is most important,on plane fast, and it looks cool to those that wished they had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/26262/ http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03/pivotal_piston_.html http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10413645-48.html And you tell me I need to read? Okay, so they're trying, but I'm not holding my breath or waiting for the first production run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickOnt Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 E-Tec for sure. Great fuel economy, minimal emmisions, as light or lighter than any 4 Stroke, the bottom end torque of a 2 Stroke,and winterizes itself!! Gotta Like That Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I look at it this way, if 2 strokes of any description(etec, no tech, whatever) were that good, they'd be putting 2 strokes in cars and trucks. Hmmm, anyone heard any rumours lately.. They are great in certain applications. Meeting emission regulations is not one of them, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) We sell both brands you are looking at. Both the Verado and the Etec are great engines. And points have been made about both. Personally I like the Etec for its light weight, low maintainence, fuel economy and great power. But I do have an honest affinity for the 2 strokes being raised on OMC stuff. I'm being pushed to put a new Verado on my boat for next year. Undecided myself. PS.The Etec has less emissions than the 4 strokes. Edited December 2, 2011 by Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Four strokes offer more torque but also add weight to the back end of the boat. Not a chance. Two strokes put out more torque than four strokes. That is one of the main selling points of a two stroke engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Not a chance. Two strokes put out more torque than four strokes. That is one of the main selling points of a two stroke engine. What he said is correctI have fished out of boats with both. The 2 stroke out torques the 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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misfish Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Hey Dan Did you catch those fish from a two or four stroke motorized boat? OOPS,I mean ENGINE boat. Dont want the Tybo police on my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 'Out torquing' is the wrong word to use.. There's a reason why a direct injected 2 stroke will usually out accelerate a typical 4 stroke engine.... It's the fact that the direct injected 2-stroke has almost instantaneous on demand power due to the design of the fuel system that makes them get up and go so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTHM Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well Duke, ya gonna chime in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishdawg Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 The amount of money to maintain a 4 stroke motor over the course of a year, compared to all the other expenses we have, is so small it's hardly even worth talking about. the voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybo Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 On deep V's is where the 4 strokes out perform 2's,With more consistent torque at high rpm's and all threw the power band.Making the 4 more efficient in ruff water. Running in waters where the the prop is leaving the water on a consistent bases and have to get off the throttle to keep a high rate of speed and the boat going in the right derection . with the consistent torque of the 4.The prop will grab the next wave harder give more thrust.With a 2 you have to keep a higher rate of rpm's to adcheve the same rate of speed.Making it more difficult in keeping the same rate of consistency as a 4.When the prop re-enter the water.The more snappy torque from a 2 tends to give more prop slip when getting back on the throttle. Which in turn decreases lift.Dropping the boat farther into the water causing more drag. Now, If I was going too propelle myself down the lake on calmer water.I would go 2 stroke. No I wouldn't.I would start burning alchol and see what happens. 200hp at the prop,is 200hp at the prop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirk Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Tybo take a stop watch & gps and 2 boats identical to yours one with the etec the other verado and run em. The etec with out perform the verado in time to plan, 0-30mph and topend. The slip you mentioned has to do with the prop (some slip more than others) engine height,trim and hull design. A 4 blade extra cupped stainless will slip much less than say a 3 blade alum..They may both be rated at 200hp at the prop but the 2 stroke can under load run through the rpm range much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 yeah well my mother can beat up your mother guess I told him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 yeah well my mother can beat up your mother If my mother was alive, she'd take it like a man! So there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Roy is always the voice of reason I'm glad we've got you around Sir Roy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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