Andy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No offence manitoubass2, but maybe you are watching too much TV. Non fatally shot and arrested because he had his back turned? Wow. Kudos to the copper who took care of business without an innocents getting hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No offense taken. FNA would be far better equiped to know ao I respect his opinion Just being a tad oversensitive on my part ? Lol Just seems harsh but yeah, given the circumstances that was probably the quickest, safest way to end the threat in retrospect. I cant imagine having to make that decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esoxansteel Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 And has his back turned in a perfect position to be non fataly shot and arrested Heck, might as well drop a bomb on the wingbat! Think that dude might have ingested some PCP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Think that dude might have ingested some PCP Id say thats possible Some of the drugs out there today, like pcp, really make super psychos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing n autograph Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Just remember that use of force is never pretty. Regardless of how justified the force is. The guy was mentally ill. He initially went into a Walmart with the loaded rifle and started shooting in the air. He then went out and began shooting in an industrial area and a residential area. He was firing at houses etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 FNA have you ever had a situation where swat or equivelent was called in? Its happened around here a few times and its pretty crazy to see. No disasteous outcomes however, they seem to be real good at diffusing crazy dangerous situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing n autograph Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Yeah, but it's not like what you see on TV. Usually takes an hour or more for them to show up I think I've been involved three or four times. Each time I was standing in the back yard helping to contain the property Edited February 6, 2016 by FishnNAutographs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Yeah, but it's not like what you see on TV. Usually takes an hour or more for them to show up I think I've been involved three or four times. Each time I was standing in the back yard helping to contain the property Oh yeah ive seen them in action, once close up. Smooth operators those guys! In the one instance they had shooters in specific locations pointed at the house windows. They had plenty of oportunities to shoot but they ended up waiting the guy out. Took like 2 days for the suspect to surrender but they got em clean. Then he served like 8 months in jail lol like wth? He held his family hostage and had all sorts of illegal weapons. Was pretty crazy, they blocked us in the area but the whole area had to stay indoors. I just happened to be one house over and got to watch. Scary, but very interesting to watch them at work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.mech Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 This thread certainly has taken a big slip sideways.....still interesting but certainly nothing to do with the Muzzo case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 This thread certainly has taken a big slip sideways.....still interesting but certainly nothing to do with the Muzzo case. Yeah sorry that was my fault. Back on topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 gangbangers dont get an attempted murder conviction after murdering someone . Exactly !!!!! It was murder and it somehow got lowered to attempted murder instead ??? what the hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing n autograph Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No it wasn't murder, the first shooting was justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 No it wasn't murder, the first shooting was justified. According to the jury but I still have a problem with someone who is trained to handle situations like that, backed up by several fellow officers showing up and within seconds opening fire because he feared for his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast-Away Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Back to Muzzo, you can't say good for him to take his lumps when it took five months to happen. The guy let his high priced lawyer do everything to get Muzzo off first. Pleading guilty was the last resort to get a lighter sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 He's probably on a private jet ,set off to live happily ever after on a private beach somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Without a passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 tone z71 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Without a passport? there multi gaziilonaires ,money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 there multi gaziilonaires ,money talks Yup. Under world can get you anything you want. For the right price that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 The first shooting was justified? There was absolutely no danger to anyone and the kid complied and stepped back. 9 bullets fired in the street is dangerous. Can you explain how it was justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Exactly Chris !! I agree ?? It's Bull ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm having problems understanding why things un-folded on that streetcar the way they did. Sure, he was obviously distressed, given what he did on the streetcar before the cops arrived. But when the car was empty, cops everywhere, they stood in the doorway, with the doors open, demanding that he comply with their orders. Seems to me to be pretty obvious that he was under the influence and as such, he should have been handled differently. Why not simply shut the streetcar doors (you can do that with the switch under the sign at the front of the car) and wait for a supervisor with a taser to arrive and taser him? Surely the number of cops at the scene could have easily over-powered this kid, but instead, he gets shot 9 times!!!!! Either the cop was messed up himself or his training was woefully inadequate. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 While I don't think he's fit to wear a badge, ever, I do believe that it's possible police *may not* have known if there were any people still left on the streetcar (not sure if TTC driver told them or not). But yes, they should have closed the doors and let him cool his jets and wait until a proper response team was on scene. This is basically the same thing that happened years ago to Edmund Yu. Nothing has been learned re: mental health issues. A guy waking with his junk in one hand and a knife in the other is imo, obviously unbalanced. Armchair qb'ing I know but that's how I see it and I've watched all the clips shown (had access to video and could stop, start, back up etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icedude Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah sorry that was my fault. Back on topic 10 years--was a 6 year precedent delivered recently- -- Muzzo will be out in 5--No "Affluenza" defense here one-for-one time served civil suit--possible if he hasn't legally buried his assets terrible decision to drink and drive-Always-that is a stretch of highway i drive often-- can see speed and distraction could lead to death pretty sure Muzzo understands the horror he has created--that family tree is rock solid-they have a sound moral business compass ----------------------------------------------------- ON a positive note DUDES--Don't forget your Valentines Peace ID1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ironmaker Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Yup. Under world can get you anything you want. For the right price that is. Come on Brian, he has money, is in construction family business in TO, his last name ends in a vowel, yea he's in the Mafia. I resemble that remark except for the money part. Yes I have been accused by a few Mangia Caca's myself. Edited February 12, 2016 by Old Ironmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ironmaker Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) He will end up in Worksworth, a country club. We should have a prisoner exchange and send him to Angola, Dannemora or L.A. County Jail. Now we are talking incarceration. Edited February 12, 2016 by Old Ironmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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