BillM Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 M buddy tows a big Four Winns with his X5d, zero issues and it's got all the bells and whistles. But yeah, a Tahoe with the Duramax would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 likely doesn't tow that down gravel/dirt roads and launches onto a beach/gravel/dirt ramps. i put my old yukon through a lot of crap, and plan to do the same with my new suburban. just thinking down the road already...I'm sure I'll be looking again in four years or so....and a true full size SUV with a diesel would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 You used to be able to get a 3/4 ton Suburban with a diesel. Great truck but maintenance was pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 You used to be able to get a 3/4 ton Suburban with a diesel. Great truck but maintenance was pricey. I think the GMT400 was the last Suburban to get a diesel (6.5L if I'm not mistaken) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scugpg Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Tupelo I know you're enjoying your truck; anyone else picked up an ecodiesel in the ram or grand cherokee and can share their experience? Edited December 30, 2014 by Spooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Well I had an experience today, went to the local RAM dealer. They have upped the price to the point that it's no longer worth buying them to get the return on mileage. A mid range equipped quad cab, 4x4, with heated seats, tow package and trailer mirrors will run around $53K. Even with their discounts and then add the tax, they're still over $51K. They're nuts. you can get a similarly equipped Ford for around $39K. That's a whole lot of gas money. The salesman said, unless you're doing around 45,000 km a year, it will be hard to break even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 From what I've been hearing a decently equipped Ecodiesel is around the 43k mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 well if it\s the dealer in Barrie they will rip you for every cent try ontario chrysler 38 to 43 you can get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 We get a lot of people dropping by here at Orangeville Chrysler....(shameless plug) asking about them and we have sold quite a few but IMHO unless you need the extra towing capacity and you tend to keep your vehicles a long time and do a lot of driving I would consider the V6 Pentastar instead similar fuel economy less money upfront. As others have pointed out there are other things to consider like maintenance cost and longevity and re-sale value. FYI Rob we have a White Grand Cherokee coming in soon with the ECO it`s a Summit model...we`ll have the new incentives out in a couple of days we`ll see if anything has changed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ironmaker Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Bill M, I am diesel illiterate what is the X5D, Q7 or Q5? Sorry to say the quote feature isn't working on this recently repaired for the third time in 5 months HP laptop . I have never ben a fan of diesel. Having grown up and started driving just at the end of the big 3's era of muscle cars and my guys and I gravitated to the European micro cars i.e. Morgan Garage, Triumph, Fiat, Ford Capri then Audi and Benz there wasn't much exposure to any diesel engines. Buy my younger brother did get the gas guzzler muscle car bug. He bought himself a VW TDI I believe a few years back and pulled up in a sparkling new VW TDI this summer., there's a 180 turnaround. I took it for a little spin along the lake and I was very surprised at what I felt under my right foot. I'm impressed. He is very happy. If they came out with something with 1/2 ton capacity for my towing and hauling needs I might be a customer, maybe. Edited December 31, 2014 by Old Ironmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scugpg Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) For the GC there is a 2k suv tax levy on the hemi due to low mpgs so makes the diesel opt. Much more attractive. Not sure what the diesel option costs over the hemi in the ram. Agree fisherman you should be able to find a ram for less than that with the diesel. Edited December 31, 2014 by Spooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Bill M, I am diesel illiterate what is the X5D, Q7 or Q5? Sorry to say the quote feature isn't working on this recently repaired for the third time in 5 months HP laptop . I have never ben a fan of diesel. Having grown up and started driving just at the end of the big 3's era of muscle cars and my guys and I gravitated to the European micro cars i.e. Morgan Garage, Triumph, Fiat, Ford Capri then Audi and Benz there wasn't much exposure to any diesel engines. Buy my younger brother did get the gas guzzler muscle car bug. He bought himself a VW TDI I believe a few years back and pulled up in a sparkling new VW TDI this summer., there's a 180 turnaround. I took it for a little spin along the lake and I was very surprised at what I felt under my right foot. I'm impressed. He is very happy. If they came out with something with 1/2 ton capacity for my towing and hauling needs I might be a customer, maybe. The X5 is a BMW SUV that comes with a diesel, same with the Audi Q7 and the Audi Q5 I've been running diesel vehicles for about 15 years or so (All VW TDI's).. I have one, my parents do as well, as does my sister. I'm the resident family mechanic, lol! You really can't compare the old diesels with the ones you can buy today, way more power, a lot cleaner, etc. Sure they have their problems (Like all cars do) but for me at least the positives outweigh the negatives. My last TDi had 600,000kms on it before I retired it, my current wagon has close to 400,000kms with no signs of letting up yet. Keep your eye open for the new GMC Canyon in 2016 with the 2.8 Duramax, should be quite the truck! Edited December 31, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 From what I've been hearing a decently equipped Ecodiesel is around the 43k mark. Oh if push comes to crunch, I'll be doing a little road trip to check other dealers. well if it\s the dealer in Barrie they will rip you for every cent try ontario chrysler 38 to 43 you can get one You're one of a number of guys that have told me to go see Ontario Chrysler, maybe stop by on my next trip to my brothers place. I just stopped in at Barrie to get a rough idea, from the total experience there, parts and service, I wouldn't buy from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farsider Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 My buddy was telling me that as a result of the diesel engines greater weight, the load capacity of the truck is greatly reduced. (at least in comparison to what a comparable F150/Silverado can carry. Is this true? If so, isn't that paying alot more for less? Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) My buddy was telling me that as a result of the diesel engines greater weight, the load capacity of the truck is greatly reduced. (at least in comparison to what a comparable F150/Silverado can carry. Is this true? If so, isn't that paying alot more for less? Cheers, Mark Ecodiesel 10,600lbs, F150 13,300lbs... when are you ever pulling close to 10,000lbs? I would guess, never. It's got a lot more with it being a half tonne chassis then it does the engine. Also, if you are pulling a trailer with that much weight, you're buying a Duramax, Cummins, Powerstroke.. Not a 1500 series truck. Edited December 31, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scugpg Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 My buddy was telling me that as a result of the diesel engines greater weight, the load capacity of the truck is greatly reduced. (at least in comparison to what a comparable F150/Silverado can carry. Is this true? If so, isn't that paying alot more for less? Cheers, Mark In the 2014 grand cherokee brochure, the diesel curb weight is only 150lbs more than the hemi model. So ram likely isn't much different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTHM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Here is the fuel comsumption figures from my 2007 Grand Cherokee 3.0 diesel analyzed in excel: kilometers liters liters/100km 551.3 68.5 12.42517685 466.1 56.5 12.12186226 525 63.2 12.03809524 500.9 63.6 12.69714514 654.9 73.7 11.25362651 378.6 45.4 11.99154781 560.7 66.9 11.92259675 480.8 61.1 12.69758735 1010.7 119 11.77599683 576.4 70.1 12.16169327 598.4 70.2 11.73128342 I'm getting around 12 l / 100 km. Edited December 31, 2014 by HTHM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 That's pretty much impossible to make any sense out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 you must have a heavier foot HTHM I'm consistently in the 9.0 - 10.0 range, same motor. but most of my driving is on 80 km/hr roads.. so around 90, i don't see the 400 series very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 12l / 100K? that isn't a great average. I bought my 2010 Suburban in July 2014. I've towed. I've highway drove. and I've city drove. My mileage averaged through it all is 14.2L / 100K With the current cost of gas, wouldn't that make a diesel MORE expensive than standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scugpg Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 Keep in mind the new one is mated to an 8spd transmission - believe the old one was a 5spd in the gc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) yeah 5 spd in the old GC my gas v8 GC was around 14-14.5 l/100, the diesel is 9-10 Edited December 31, 2014 by Raf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTHM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 I am doing mostly city driving right now, I haven't had a chance to take it on a highway trip yet. That being said, I usually drive it 30 - 40 kms round trip. I do not drive it hard, and have only been off road once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 The last thing you wanna do to any diesel is baby it around, especially if all you're doing is city driving. The harder they are driven, the better they perform.. I'm dealing with a sticky VGT turbo in my oldmans Duramax for this very reason (he drives it like an old lady), I was out on the highway lastnight bombing around trying to get the EGTs up and everything cleaned out and unstuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb4me Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 The last thing you wanna do to any diesel is baby it around, especially if all you're doing is city driving. The harder they are driven, the better they perform.. I'm dealing with a sticky VGT turbo in my oldmans Duramax for this very reason (he drives it like an old lady), I was out on the highway lastnight bombing around trying to get the EGTs up and everything cleaned out and unstuck. My Brother in Law had the same issue after a week of my sister driving his truck..Sure doesnt take long when the duramax is babied..Drive it like its stolen to clear it out...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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