muddler Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Great finish, very proud of our boys! The last few minutes of the second was starting to look like a typical collapse by the usual occupants of the Air Canada Centre. Very glad they gutted it out. No collapse, just a desperate Russian team fighting for their lives. That was just good coaching by the Russians. Risk everything and you 'might' pull it out. More often than not you'd get spanked for that but every now and then it works.Sweden pulled their goalie with over 3 minutes to go. That the same desperate move. Our boys gutted it out and played head to head against a big strong team and we DESERVED to win. There was never any doubt for me. These boys have true grit. Everyone of these young men was a super star last night. Domi and Nurse poked their heads above the crowd.....Impressive. Canada is proud of our boys. muddler
grimsbylander Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Carlyle is done. Should have zero effect.
Raf Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 saw that coming during the wpg game. my guess is everyone knew it he's going to end up in the jets organization
BillM Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Carlyle is done. Should have zero effect. Just heard this as well!! I wonder who's going to take over behind the bench.
muskymatt Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Bwhahahaha Carslye fired, laffs 4th and have their best showing in years and they fire the coach. Too funny. The team sucks and the coach pays for it. Good luck with the rest of the season laffites.
Headhunter Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Not gonna matter who's behind the bench Bill. Is anyone really surprised that this team is where it is in the standings? They aren't a good team and won't be until they get rid of the dead weight they carry around. Time to move some assets! HH
AKRISONER Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) time to salvage the season. Will be looking forward to what the leafs can accomplish when they dont face 50 shots per game. heard mclean is looking for a job. Edited January 6, 2015 by AKRISONER
BillM Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Not gonna matter who's behind the bench Bill. Is anyone really surprised that this team is where it is in the standings? They aren't a good team and won't be until they get rid of the dead weight they carry around. Time to move some assets! HH You don't think it matters? I'd agree if they played like crap all the time, but the problem is they don't. Look how they play against the top ranked teams, then look at how they play against the low ranked teams, lol! If the talent wasn't there, they'd play like Ottawa
solopaddler Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 No collapse, just a desperate Russian team fighting for their lives. Disagree, was some sloppy play by our boys. Moot point anyhow, they won.
Headhunter Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Talent is one thing and they have some, but desire is totally another. Coach can only coach what he is given, it's up to the players to have the desire to win. Can't say I've seen much desire out of this group for a while. Let's look back to the beginning of the season. Is this team not in the position that most would have been happy with? Are they a playoff team? There's a poison flowing through the team and it's called "blue and white disease". The best Leaf fans can hope for is the new coach, who ever it is, is given the free hand to kick some butts and not allow "elite" players to dictate how the team plays. HH
solopaddler Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Not gonna matter who's behind the bench Bill. Is anyone really surprised that this team is where it is in the standings? They aren't a good team and won't be until they get rid of the dead weight they carry around. Time to move some assets! HH I think it's impossible to not blame the coach when the team leads the leaugue is shots against for how many years now? That boils down to system and coaching. I agree with you too though, their core players are deeply flawed. I'd trade them as well while they still have some value.
Oggie Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Kessel and Pahneuf the coach-killers. Can't bench them. Can't demote them. You're stuck with them and so you pay the price as the coach. Hope Shanny has enough sense to spill a little more blood. Let's really get into it if we're going to open the ugly box that is the Leafs. No C on Phaneuf and less minutes; Kessel benched when he can't get the puck out of his own end (he is -6 on the +/- btw); send Gardiner to the AHL to get his head straightened out; etc. A coach can't coach if the players don't buy into the system the coach is using. There is no TEAM; they play as individuals and that's why it appears to be a poorly coached team. Edited January 6, 2015 by Oggie
AKRISONER Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 these guys are NHL caliber hockey players. Facing the most shots against in history is a systematic problem. You can reduce the number of shots a goalie faces purely by changing your style of play. The leafs still have the best offence in the entire league along with some of the best goaltending. Even if the defence isnt mediocre they instantly have a recipe to be a middle of the pack 7th 8th place playoff team or better. The team can beat tough teams, the inconstancy wreaks of something fundamentally flawed. Call Phaneuf a bum etc etc, plenty of other teams would love to have him. Maybe he shouldnt be the captain, but hes not a garbage hockey player.
bigugli Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 All the leafs woes begin and end in the front office. Both the current ownership, and Ballard, have ruled the team with a singular perspective. The only thing that matters is profitability. They don't, need to be contenders, need the cup, need to play well, need to pay well. For nearly 50 years the Leafs have been a middle to bottom of the pack team, and they are still one of the most, if not most, profitable franchises in the league. Fans are stupid enough to pay $200+ for a seat at the ACC. Spend $2-300 in merchandising every year. Why does anything at Leaf central need to change. The fans continue to pay blindly, and the shareholders are happy. And a page from the wisdom of Harold. A little dirt and controversy to keep people talking, is always good for business.
DRIFTER_016 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 All the leafs woes begin and end in the front office. Both the current ownership, and Ballard, have ruled the team with a singular perspective. The only thing that matters is profitability. They don't, need to be contenders, need the cup, need to play well, need to pay well. For nearly 50 years the Leafs have been a middle to bottom of the pack team, and they are still one of the most, if not most, profitable franchises in the league. Fans are stupid enough to pay $200+ for a seat at the ACC. Spend $2-300 in merchandising every year. Why does anything at Leaf central need to change. The fans continue to pay blindly, and the shareholders are happy. And a page from the wisdom of Harold. A little dirt and controversy to keep people talking, is always good for business. If that were really true I would think their roster payroll would be a lot lower. Having a bunch of lest costly players will put more $$$$$ in the bank. Instead they are only $600K under the cap.
John Bacon Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Playoff games are very profitable; they bring more revenue for less cost than regular season games. If management is concerned with profitability then they will want the team to make the playoffs and preferably get past the first round.
bigugli Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 If that were really true I would think their roster payroll would be a lot lower. Having a bunch of lest costly players will put more $$$$$ in the bank. Instead they are only $600K under the cap. True, but in other years they were one of the cheapest franchises, still filled the seats, and played just as good a game, or better than, the current team. If Leaf central wanted real bang for the buck, they'd give a couple of their darlings a swift slap up the side of the head. Newmarket used to be a great incentive to play better hockey, and it used to be that no player was exempt from that kind of dressing down.
jbailey Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 sure they can beat the top teams some nights, but I can't see them maintaining that level of play over a 7 game series..
Old Ironmaker Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 I haven't been a fan since I was a kid trying to skate in the 60's. I am only one of a handful that can say I was a Leaf fan when they were a great team and celebrated a Stanley Cup win. Imagine a Stanley Cup win and Leafs in the same sentence.
BillM Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 sure they can beat the top teams some nights, but I can't see them maintaining that level of play over a 7 game series.. That last run they went on proves they can play against the best teams in the league and win.
AKRISONER Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) The leafs literally make 1 million dollars profit for every playoff game they play. Do not think that this organization wouldnt love to play 4 seven game series in a year. In fact I am sure a Stanley cup final game's revenue in Toronto would possibly be some of the highest grossing sports events of all time. The money involved would be nearly unfathomable. Edited January 6, 2015 by AKRISONER
manitoubass2 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Well its settled. hire OFC as the new coach of the leafs ??? They wont be hiring long term because Babcock wants in next year, remember??? ?
John Bacon Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 True, but in other years they were one of the cheapest franchises, In the Ballard years maybe. They had one of the highest payrolls in the league prior to the salary cap. They were getting beat by teams with lower payrolls. Payroll has not been the problem for the last 25 years.
muddler Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 Randy Carlyle is gone. Neeeeeext. Ron Wilson made some good comments about Fatboy 81 today. All these coaches and the team still sucks, maybe it'snot the coach? muddler
xxgoaler Posted January 6, 2015 Report Posted January 6, 2015 James Riemer's tweet was priceless " I think his coaching was just okay ....." Randy had a core group that was successful in Anaheim, but the Leafs don't have the leadership in the dressing room to make others accountable. The Leafs have played the same way through a number of coaches, IMO there are deep problems in the dressing room
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