fishing n autograph Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 This is how we get stupid laws, the guys that write the new laws don't know the old laws and the MPP's that pass them don't bother to read what they are voting on because the party leaders tells them how to vote.. And the guys that write the laws don't teach the courts how to implement them...it took almost a year to get an actually conviction for street racing. The HTA isn't as technical as you think. GPS is handled the same as DVD players etc...depending on who you talk to. I've only written on ticket for that but that was because he talked himself into it. Anyway, I was taught that any screen that projects a significant amount of light falls under it. I dont' have my books on me right now so i can't get the exact wording. Things change year by year so you might have been looking at an outdated version. Remember, last years criminal code doesn't have Impaired by drugs causing death and causing bodily harm........and the '07 HTA doesn't have the changed seatbelt laws and the full s. 172 for all forms of street racing. It only has "racing on a bet or wager" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing n autograph Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) my point about cb's is it is similar to talking on a phone , when someone calls you you have to look for the cb , pick it up, and push a button and hold it near or in front of you face and talk with someone, then let go and listen to what they are saying not to mention volume ,squelch, etc to me it is the same damn thing, how can you be FOR banning cell phone and not laptops or cb's??? still a safety thisng isnt it.. and if you rear end someone iam sure the first thing you do is close your lap top befor anyone see's you right? cause you wouldnt want to be caught breaking the law now would ya! you might get paid leave. nope, big brother is always watching so they know what you're doing in your car from the radio being on to your lap top active and your seatbelt engaged. i guess the CB in trucks are different then the one i use. I just pick up the mic, hit the button say a few words and it's done....alway on same channel, no interference etc. and as for paid leave, if we get in an accident where we aren't wearing our seatbelt etc, we don't get paid leave. and I never said I was for anything. I was just adding to the conversation. Some people are able to concentrate while on the phone, others aren't......not everything in the HTA is enforced....otherwise every person who has a cracked windshield, blue lights, a plate licence plate cover that isn't clear, who doesn't signal every turn and every lane change, who flicks a cigarette butt out the window, who doesn't cross at the cross walk, who doubles on a bike, who rides a bike without a helmet, who has their dog in the front seat, who has a burnt out headlight, who goes 1 km over the speed limit, who puts their front licence plate on the dash board, who plays their radio too loud, has a loud muffler, who doesn't stop at the stop line, who balding tires, who doesn't have mudflaps, who puts decals that cover their entire back window, who turns right on a red when there is a green left turn arrow, who doesn't yield when their supposed to, who has a G2 licence and has a beer 3 hours before they drive and who drives on the 400 series highway with 3 of their friends after midnight would get a ticket..... Edited October 28, 2008 by FishnNAutographs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Odds are a ban on cell use will be difficult to physically enforce. Same with drinking or seatbelts. You will eventually get 80-85% voluntary compliance. The reason there is compliance is because it is easy to comply, the fines are steep and the law is regularly enforced. Seatbelt and drinking laws are regularily enforced and it is not hard to do so. It is hard to get out of those charges. It will be the same with cell phones, a cop sees you and you get a ticket. This all depends on how hte law is written. BTW: according to The Star it is the physical interaction with the GPS unit that will be targeted. forrest Edited October 28, 2008 by forrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigugli Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 The reason there is compliance is because it is easy to comply, the fines are steep and the law is regularly enforced. Seatbelt and drinking laws are regularily enforced and it is not hard to do so. It is hard to get out of those charges. It will be the same with cell phones, a cop sees you and you get a ticket. This all depends on how hte law is written. BTW: according to The Star it is the physical interaction with the GPS unit that will be targeted. forrest Yes the police have their regular blitzes every few months, RIDE, etc... But take a good look at the number of individuals who are charged after the accident. Also take a look at the number of people who, despite getting caught are still in posession of their licences. As for those who regularly drink and drive, they don't drive along the usual routes where we all know the spotchecks will be. If you take a look at FNA's list of rarely enforced HTA offences, you should notice that the sheer volume is beyond the scope of the police even if you doubled their numbers. A lot of the charges are incurred as a result of an accident. One simple case in point. (I got to see these all the time when I worked in hospital admin). A co-worker at our facility was brought in as a trauma case during a typical long weekend having sustained critical life threatening injuries in an accident. After investigation, they could tell from the skid patch and damage to the vehicle that he was doing 60 over the limit. They could tell from the distance he travelled through the windshield into a field, that he did not wear a seatbelt. He was not caught in the act, and their was no active enforcement. Accident or injury were not prevented. He was charged, and punished after the fact for speeding, no seatbelt, and the biggies, reckless driving, criminal negligence causing death. Not that those charges would matter to a paraplegic. Nor is it likely anyone will successfully sue a cripple for wrongful death when his insurance was declared null and void. The point being made, enforcement with punishment should be proactive to prevent such grisly little stories. regretably, all too often, the punishment is applied as a reaction and consequence of such unfortunate events. You need to take a closer look at the score card, not just the final total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I won't be one of the 85% that complies.....and before anyone gets outraged about it let me ask you......how many of you drive over the speed limit???? I'm on the road just about every day and I think it's safe to say that way way way more that 15% of drivers exceed the speed limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douG Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Lots of silly on this thread. I remember the same complaints about the metric system, seatbelts, and helmets for motorcycle riders when they were introduced. Some folks have to be dragged kicking and screaming to what is best for them. Hell, I even remember making ashtrays out of asbestos putty when I was young. Just imagine the lawsuits that would be filed if you passed out a class 1 carcinogen to a bunch of day campers for arts and crafts. In August, listening to the radio in Nova Scotia, I heard, " Call Star Traffic on your hands free phone to tell us how the traffic is where you are". It will be the same here. Hands free is OK. Chillax already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 "Handsfree Phone" .... ya still have to dial the number!! And that's the most dangerous part...unless you have Onstar and can talk to your dash...and don't have to look up the number somewhere to tell the "voice" where to dial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTER Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) agree Edited October 29, 2008 by BUSTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing n autograph Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 according to the bill, windshield mounted GPS units are still legal. The handheld GPS that they were talking about apply to the GPS units in Blackberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danc Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 according to the bill, windshield mounted GPS units are still legal. The handheld GPS that they were talking about apply to the GPS units in Blackberries Great news!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Great to see many are so happy to go along with this.... now lets see your temper flare when they tell you that you can't drive your boat and play with the buttons on your Lowrance! Then there'll be a revolt for sure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douG Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTER Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 even worse that you can talk yourself into a ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Great to see many are so happy to go along with this.... now lets see your temper flare when they tell you that you can't drive your boat and play with the buttons on your Lowrance! Then there'll be a revolt for sure..... HA! Just wait till you see the new handsfree aircraft legislation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I already fly hands free... how do you think I take all those pictures!!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 "Handsfree Phone" .... ya still have to dial the number!! And that's the most dangerous part...unless you have Onstar and can talk to your dash...and don't have to look up the number somewhere to tell the "voice" where to dial. "Hands Free" phones are almost as dangerous because the conversation part of a phone is every bit as bad for conversation. Proven in studies (too tired to look them up) and according to critics "hands free" should have been banned too. forrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Well I'm just not gonna ask what you do with your joystick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I can't wait to see if they actually enforce this - hopefully they do. I support this move 100% - a long time coming IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickster Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 . If my memory serves me right, it wasn't that long ago that some guy talking on a cell phone to his wife with his young son in the car didn't notice the flashing lights a level railway crossing. He was still talking to her when the train nailed them and killed them both. This should make everyone think about using cell phones in their cars shouldn't it ??? Too sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosebunk Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Sometimes I spend more time playing with my kids or assisting my youngest through puking on long road trips than I do watching the road. Maybe they should ban kids in the car. Passengers too. Ohhhhh, and alot of other drivers as well. Actually, do agree with the cellphone ban. I'm anti-people-calling-me-when-not-at-home so that means you should be too so we're all on the same page with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 No cell phones at all in the boat should be the next legislation! Think about it, next time the wife wants to call asking when you're coming home, why you're not home, why you didn't rake the leaves etc. you say "sorry honey, I didn't bring my phone. It's the law now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musky_man Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 A study published in62% greater if you are on a cellphone the New England Journal of Medicine a while back found that your chances of being in an accident are 62% greater if you are on a cellphone. I am glad they are banning them while driving ... I have asmost been creamed several times by inattentive people. Want to talk on your cell, pull off at the nearest safe point and talk. The world got along without them for thousands of years and will continue to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I am glad they are banning them while driving ... I have asmost been creamed several times by inattentive people. A question to everybody who has almost been 'creamed' by another driver, do you practice defensive driving to avoid potential problems? Keeping proper distance while following behind a vehicle AND following behind a vehicle in another lane Reducing speed when approaching an intersection NOT passing on the right hand side of other vehicles Most accidents can be blamed on our conditioned driving habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Think about it, next time the wife wants to call asking when you're coming home, why you're not home, why you didn't rake the leaves etc. you say "sorry honey, I didn't bring my phone. It's the law now." YESSSSSssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raf Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 The world got along without them for thousands of years and will continue to. the world is a different place than it was 15, 10 even 5 years ago. my concern, as someone born in a country whose people were on a leash by govt, is the erosion of our freedoms. this may be a small little thing but where does it end? it's about personal responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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