misfish Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) I was out this morning just window shopping to see whats out there for this up coming ice season. Here are a few items I seen with prices. CTC and Cabelas. I see that woods has got into the hub market. Not a bad price,but have no idea of the quality, as they didnt have one set up. A few random things. Propane auger. It,s not the lightest. Now on to the Jaw Jacker. I was very surpised to see it for sale there. Alot of talk about if it was legal,or not. Well wouldnt you know it,there was a CO there. I approuched him and asked about it. His answer was they are not allowed in Ontario. I said well,they are over there on the shelf. I showed him. He walked off to talk to someone I guess. I didnt stick around,but will stop in later this week to see if they are still on the shelf. Edited November 16, 2014 by Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDunn Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I seen them yesterday at cabelas too. Interested to hear about the out come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I can see both sides but this might be a slippery slope. The rod is just loaded and springs, not much different from a downrigger. If the butt of the rod was "set" then that would be a different kettle of fish (sorry ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 if it uses the rod to set the hook it is legal if it is spring loaded, then illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 if it uses the rod to set the hook it is legal if it is spring loaded, then illegal Exactly. And i have that in writing from the MNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yes Brian.. we discussed this last year. No different than a downrigging rod with the rod used to take up the slack when the release clip pops... IF that's how this one works. Who was it .. Rick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Yes Brian.. we discussed this last year. No different than a downrigging rod with the rod used to take up the slack when the release clip pops... IF that's how this one works. Who was it .. Rick? No,Beaver. I have not seen Rick around for awhile now. Great guy. Edited November 16, 2014 by Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yes Brian.. we discussed this last year. No different than a downrigging rod with the rod used to take up the slack when the release clip pops... IF that's how this one works. Who was it .. Rick? Yup this one is the same, completely legal. Might get you to pick one up for me B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yup this one is the same, completely legal. Might get you to pick one up for me B NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonidstalker Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Do any of you actually go down rigging? You can't compare a vertical presentation where there rod actually sets the hooks hen a fish hits the bait, verses diwnrigging where the rod plays no part in setting the hook. That is the issue, the rod setting the hook. The clip in down rigging plays very little in "setting the hook". The fish gets pinned when it turns and runs away from the boat moving 3 mph. This product for sure will be off the shelves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 --------------HiI have received several inquiries regarding the legality (use andpossession) of several ice fishing tip ups.One is called the automatic ice fisherman and can be found at:http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/index.htmlIf you view the video on the web site you will see that the Tip up holdsthe rod in such a way that the rod is tensioned similar to a downriggerrod, when the fish takes the bait a release mechanism is activated andthe rod is released indicating a bite, the angler can then grab the rodand set the hook. This type of set up does not meet the definition of aspring gaff - "spring gaff means a spring-operated device for impalingor hooking a fish and includes sping-loaded hooks that are triggeredwhen a fish bites the bait" and therefore is legal for use andpossession within 30 meters of any water.A second piece of ice fishing equipment is called the Hook Set Tip Upand can be viewed at http://hooksettipup.com/If you view the video on this site you will see that this tip upcontains a spring that is "loaded" when set. When the fish hits thebait and triggers the release the spring mechanism sets the hook, and aflag is released. This set up falls within the definition of a springgaff as noted above, and is therefore not legal for use or possesionwithin 30 meters of any waters.If you have any questions regarding this gear or any other type that youencounter please do not hesitate to contact me.Derrick Humbera/Enforcement SpecialistPeterborough705-755-5186ENFORCEMENT BRANCH MISSION: To safeguard the public interest by leadingand delivering professional regulatory protection of Ontario's naturalresources.----------------- "A spring gaff includes any device which uses amechanical spring, other than the fishing rod under tension, toset the hook for an angler." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.mech Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) From Page 8 of the regs: It is illegal to: Possess a spring gaff, snagger or spear gun within 30 m (98 ft.) of any waters. A spring gaff includes any device which uses a mechanical spring, other than the fishing rod under tension, to set the hook for an angler. No person shall take fish with a gaff, snare, snagger or spear gun. A gaff, other than a spring gaff, may be used to assist in landing fish caught by lawful means So, as we have beaten to death before, these are legal since they only use the rod under tension to set the hook. Also, even it if wasn't legal, it can still be sold in Ontario as it is not against the law to sell tackle that is illegal to use. This too has been discussed at length before (i.e 5 position alabama rigs). Edited November 16, 2014 by G.mech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Looks like a darn good price for the Jiffy SD60i auger. Oh BTW, Jaw Jackers are legal here, there's no spring on this item. Not all CO's are _______. some have reading problems. Edited November 16, 2014 by Fisherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 woods has been making shelters for some time. I almost bought one two yeas ago, but the eskimo won out. They were hard to find and not popular at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Oh BTW, Jaw Jackers are legal here, there's no spring on this item. Not all CO's are _______. some have reading problems. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCranksalot Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 No,Beaver. . Beaver?/ There's a really bad story about him on the net!! These Jawjackers look legal because they have no spring. Some of us have homemade rigs similar to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Good to know!!!,find it hard to believe retail stores would be able to sell a product and not be able to use it?. Especially designed for ice fishing?.I'm sure stranger things have happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) a store does not dictate what you do with the product. if there is demand they will sell. (it is legal to sell, and possibly to use) I see alabama rigs with 5 hooks here in ontario, but if I buy one whos to say im not heading on a vacation to the U.S. to use them? its an ice fishing set up not lab to produce an ebola vaccine. Edited November 16, 2014 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Oh you can legally sell everything that you need for a meth lab in Ontario as well, just can't set one up! The unit is legal... buy one and carry Terry's letter from Peterborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Brian this is the second forum (that I know of) you have started this same basic post based on your misinformation. My fear is someone will believe you and harrass someone who is complying with in the law based on your misinformation. May not be a pretty site and could also get them charged for interfering with someone legally fishing. Edited November 16, 2014 by Woodsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 yeah but the CO at the store told him it was illegal which makes it all confusing hopefully no one just reads a forum and reacts I use forums as a starting point and do my own research to make up my own mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Terry although I agree with you it doesn't always work out that way. I remember a couple years back someone harrassing me because I was still fishing off IBP because I already caught 2 whities. I was told I could no longer keep fishing as I already had my limit. Didn't matter I was targeting lakers. Too many think they can police things themselves instead of making a call to the authoritites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Oh you can legally sell everything that you need for a meth lab in Ontario as well, just can't set one up! The unit is legal... buy one and carry Terry's letter from Peterborough. true. so I edited my post accordingly:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 a store does not dictate what you do with the product. if there is demand they will sell. (it is legal to sell, and possibly to use) I see alabama rigs with 5 hooks here in ontario, but if I buy one whos to say im not heading on a vacation to the U.S. to use them? Or use them here legally by simply removing one hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Or use them here legally by simply removing one hook. yip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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