Dave Bailey Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Trying braided line for the first time (actually the second, but we don't want to revisit that thread again...) and I've read that it works a bit differently from mono as far as knots go. According to a piece in the latest Just Fishing strength can drop to 50% So now I'm looking for help from you experts. Up to now I've palomared just about everything, it's easy on my arthritic fingers and ageing eyes. Occasionally a clinch knot or a trilene knot. I would imagine that the rough surface of braid might create havoc trying to snug up a knot, it won't slide as easily as mono that's for sure. Anyway, are these knots okay with braid, or are there better? And as far as strength goes, call me nuts (it's been done before) but I'm wondering if a drop of Krazy Glue might hold it together. I know it might make for some frustrating time getting the terminal tackle off, but I could just cut above it, put a new swivel on, and later spend an evening with nail clippers getting line off old ones. You can tell I have no life By the way, the line currently installed is 20lb Berkely PowerPro.
irishfield Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Palomar knot. I use to do the trilene thing and found out that it slips on braid.. and then the fishy is GONE! Edited March 21, 2012 by irishfield
DRIFTER_016 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Yep, palomar knot for terminal connections and double uni for joining to mono or flouro leaders.
Sinker Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I use the improved clinch for EVERYTHING. Braid, mono, fluoro....joining leaders....never fails me. One thing I do though, is melt the tag end off. It leaves a little melted nub on the end of the braid, that won't slip thru IF the knot slips. I've never had a problem. S.
NANUK Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Most of the time I just tie an improved clinch or Trilene knot on braid, never had the knot slip even on muskie tackle. Polomer works great too.
irishfield Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I use the improved clinch for EVERYTHING. Braid, mono, fluoro....joining leaders....never fails me. One thing I do though, is melt the tag end off. It leaves a little melted nub on the end of the braid, that won't slip thru IF the knot slips. I've never had a problem. S. Yep.. I melt a ball as well.. stops the fraying plus gives that added no-slip bonus
Dabluz Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Trying braided line for the first time (actually the second, but we don't want to revisit that thread again...) and I've read that it works a bit differently from mono as far as knots go. According to a piece in the latest Just Fishing strength can drop to 50% So now I'm looking for help from you experts. Up to now I've palomared just about everything, it's easy on my arthritic fingers and ageing eyes. Occasionally a clinch knot or a trilene knot. I would imagine that the rough surface of braid might create havoc trying to snug up a knot, it won't slide as easily as mono that's for sure. Anyway, are these knots okay with braid, or are there better? And as far as strength goes, call me nuts (it's been done before) but I'm wondering if a drop of Krazy Glue might hold it together. I know it might make for some frustrating time getting the terminal tackle off, but I could just cut above it, put a new swivel on, and later spend an evening with nail clippers getting line off old ones. You can tell I have no life By the way, the line currently installed is 20lb Berkely PowerPro. Yes....braids and fused lines are notorious for having weak knot strength and that's why 20 lb braids and fused lines have a breaking strength way over 20 lbs. The strongest of the lot is Fireline. 20 lb test Fireline breaks at around 47 lbs. So even if the knot diminishes the line strength by 50%, you are still using 20 lb test line. There have been a couple of independent strength tests carried out over the years and you can find them on the internet. I think I read that the Palomar knot only loses about 20 to 30% of the rated breaking strength of braids and fused lines. Edited March 21, 2012 by Dabluz
Garfisher Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I use the "fish-n-fool" knot for braid. Pretty simple and its very strong (stronger than a palomar I think). I havent had the knot snap on me yet using braid
kickingfrog Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I used an improved clinch knot but switched after I started to use braid. I use a knot that power pro has listed on the package and their website. It takes more time to tie then some but I've had no issues ... So far.
Harrison Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Palomar braid and drop shot. Improved clinch mono/fluoro. Improved clinch will slip with braid.
Dave Bailey Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Posted March 21, 2012 Thank you gentlemen, sounds like the Palomar is in the lead so far.
cynmar Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Thank you gentlemen, sounds like the Palomar is in the lead so far. I was using the uni to uni to tie leader to braid until got shown the improved surgeon's knot, way simpler , smaller to go through the guides and no slip.
Homer Is King Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Yep, palomar knot for terminal connections and double uni for joining to mono or flouro leaders. X2 - these are the knots I use too. I've lost a lot of fish but never from knot failure! I think the 50% strength reduction applies to any line or rope with a knot in it.
BillM Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Palomar or the Nanofil knot, either will work just great with braid.
BucktownAngler Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Yep, palomar knot for terminal connections and double uni for joining to mono or flouro leaders. X3 Never had these knots fail me & very quick and easy to tie
COUNTRYBOY Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I use the improved clinch for EVERYTHING. Braid, mono, fluoro....joining leaders....never fails me. One thing I do though, is melt the tag end off. It leaves a little melted nub on the end of the braid, that won't slip thru IF the knot slips. I've never had a problem. S. THAT'S THE SAME METHOD I USE AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT..THE ONLY THING IS IF IT FRAYES A BIT THAN RE TIE IT
bare foot wader Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 albright or improved albright/alberto know to connect braid to leader of roughly equal sizes....sometimes use a jam knot to tie 60+ lb leaders uni knot for tying straight to terminal tackle...with light braid i double the line up....double the line up and tie a trilene knot works fine for me
Lunatic Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I use palomar on everything now,no slips or breaks at the knot to date
Live2fish85 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 Palomar Knot always for my braided line.
Andrew Grant Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2014 by XxX
GBW Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Dave, bring the stuff from the pic in your avatar over to my place and we can tie and test stuff till the cow's come home (and I don't mean the women ). Palomar all the way here for basic braid and "nanofil" for any slicker lines. uni-2-uni to join any braid to mono/floro has yet to fail me. an extra wrap or 2 helps too Edited March 21, 2012 by GBW
Harrison Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 When braids and superlines first came on the market it was common when a buddy lost a fish on the hookset or in the heavy junk to ask "did you use a palomar?"
mercman Posted March 21, 2012 Report Posted March 21, 2012 I started using the Palomar knot on all lines,last season.Its much easier to tie while wearing gloves
Dabluz Posted March 22, 2012 Report Posted March 22, 2012 Is the nanofil knot just a Palomar with an extra pass under before putting the hook/lure through the loop? I call that the "double Palomar" and it's the one I use....especially when using fine fused or braided line. It does not slip at all. Pull hard on a single Palomar to see if it slips. I did a few times and was surprised to see it slip so I went to the double Palomar.
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