camillj Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) I had one of my neighbors pit bull get into my pasture and run my sheep one day.I had every right in the state of Virginia to kill his dog on the spot.I chased him back thru the fence and went to work on the fence where the dog got thru.The owner came out and helped me and he thanked me for not shooting his dog.This farmer probably knew the dogs and the owners.He should also know that you have to live with your neighbors and just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should.The Pit Bull never harassed my sheep again and I still get along with my neighbor. Joe Well said Joe ... there's a lot more to right and wrong than whats written in the law books or in contracts... and while I certainly have no idea what all the facts are in this case... and frankly no interest in being the 'judge' ... I would think that if we remembered that we dont get to 'log off' or hide behind the rules in real life, we would all think longer and harder before we do harm to our neighbors... especially harm that cant be undone if you find out you were wrong. Edited October 23, 2007 by camillj
EVINRUDE-DUDE Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 To shoot two golden retrivers when he could have easily shot overhead or close to them is pathetic.This shoot first think later mentality reminds me of Texas and we all know how well they do down there.I am a firm beliver that it is the owner of the dog that determines alot of it's behaviour.I am not naive to the fact that we are dealing with animals but the reality is anyone can own a dog.Your a pretty weak person if you feel that you have to shoot to helpless goldens to prove your a man.
Terry Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 but you don't know the facts nor do I but woulda coulda shoulda...crap who to say he didn't shoot over their heads every day this week, but had a lamb cornered and it was time to end it or maybe the dogs killed one of his animals or maybe he say the law states I can so I did......no one knows people are coming to conclusions without having even the basic facts.........lets be holier then thou and make up the facts to support our position.....give me a break.....
huntervasili Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 A few things... First off although younger livestock may not always be particularily expensive to buy, Prized animals are worth much more than many may believe. A bull although only worth very little when slaughtered is invaluable to a farmer as he can breed his cows and keep the bull which has a strong line of genes, for those of you who know lots about dogs how much do you think it would cost just to have a prized stud attempt to impregnate your dog. It is the same idea. As well horses can be worht more than most people will ever have in savings depending on its use. Lastly though the way I interpreted the story, the point of killing the dogs was to protect the farmer and his property, not to prove he's a man.
Mark Kulik Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 I am not a farmer but my 5 yr. old got bitten by a dog a year ago-got loose-right on our yard, woman said, he's never bitten anyone before, is this supposed to make me feel better? if I had been there I would have punted it for a field goal, I like animals but kids, family members and in this case livestock which is this mans livelyhood is priority! got dogs get a leash or a fence.
addy79 Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 I probably would have shot the dog had it come on my property. Its just a dog, plenty more to be had at any animal shelter. keep driftin jagoff!!
EVINRUDE-DUDE Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 He must have been an Evinrude owner. Starting to think you want an evinrude Roy Or a boyfriend .Does everyone get special treatment like me ?
blaque Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 ... there's a lot more to right and wrong than whats written in the law books or in contracts... Absolute quote of the week!
highdrifter Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Golden retrievers ripping up livestock??Not unless he was raising ducks. I've had goldens all my life. They are good at retrieving but lousy hunters. Never met a golden that wouldn't come when called and as Aplumma said, it is better to make a friend by returning said dogs than to shoot the things. If you want something to blame, blame the owners, not the dogs. My dogs got out once when a Bell tech was in the back yard working on the pole and neglected to close the gate when he left. Had this resulted in my dogs getting shot, much, much more press would have resulted. However I would have paid for any damages they caused. I don't know what the dogs were doing, but knowing the breed as I do, I would be very surprised if they were doing anything that could result in harm to the animals. A golden can cost up to $2,000. Don't know how much a cow or pig is worth. I second that notion. We've also had retrievers all our lives. They may raise a fuss within sight of a large animal, but I don't see them causing any harm. Without knowing to what extent the dogs were harrassing the livestock, and what kind of livestock it was, no one should make assumptions. I can't honestly a golden retriever causing any physical harm to a cow or pig. I'm sure dogs can cause come considerable commotion among cows, especially milking cows and calfs, but I just can't see a golden retriever physically hurting such an animal. We do need to know the full story. If the farmer was within his rights, I sure hope he used good judgement before shooting such an animal at close range. Otherwise, I'd wheel him into the nut house.. The owners were careless no doubt. If the owners knew there were livestock in the area, the should have been placed on a leash. Seems a shame that all this could have been prevented had the owners kept their dogs within eye sight, or tied to a leash. To me, this is news, because I can't even fathom someone shooting an animal at close rance with an otherwise peacefull nature. Pretty freaky s**t if you ask me. Who the heck is this guy anyway?? Can we get a picture of this farmer John?? cheers HD
lew Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Was it ever made public if this farmer even raised livestock ?? Perhaps he's a corn grower and just hates dogs
LeXXington Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Farmer may have been a bit jumpy to shoot, but no animal lover would jump too the chance to help pay for the farmers live stock if it got hurt, Sick or contaminated. If it was one dog you can deal with it, 2 dogs feed of the freezy of another. Life goes on,
highdrifter Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 I probably would have shot the dog had it come on my property. Its just a dog, plenty more to be had at any animal shelter. Whoah! Strong words there mate. Your name's real original too. I high stick a nymph through a pool... I guess you point your rod tip down and just strip am I right?? yeeeesshhh
highdrifter Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 If it was one dog you can deal with it, 2 dogs feed of the freezy of another. Life goes on, What was that Paul??
Cory Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Dogs are pack animals. And when they get in the pack mode the may not act the same way you expect them to act at home. Any dog can be aggressive even more so when in a pack situation. Yup Rizzo even your cute cuddly Poodle is(was) a hunting breed dog even though they are no longer considered in the sporting group. I doubt anybody would be raising this much fuss if it were a “pit bull”. BSL is Bull. A farmer somewhat near me uses Great Pyrenees to protect his flock, I’m sure Rick can give a good background on this breed. I’d hate to see what would have happened to the two goldens if they had gone after this farmers flock. While normally gentle and layed back the LGD’s can and will fight to the death if necessary. Normally the predator will back down when confronted by the size of the big dog(s).
Terry Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 but the dogs are that way, down there because their toilets flush the other direction
highdrifter Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 but the dogs are that way, down there because their toilets flush the other direction BLIMEE! A dingo ate my baby!! LOL
ch312 Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 totally legal for a farmer to protect his livestock from any dog even if it has a pink tutu on and i agree with this 100%. when you mess with a mans way of supporting his family you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. if the dog owners would have kept the dogs on their property and none of this would have happened. 100% the dog owners fault, not the dogs.
oxcowboy Posted October 24, 2007 Report Posted October 24, 2007 ok folks, first of all i am a dog owner, i own several dogs as a matter of fact, Boston terriers and blue heelers. i am also a cattle, hog, and now goat farmer. i love my dogs, but i also have seen what they can become when in groups (packs). they are not the same animal when they are with others, they are often more aggressive and more likely to get in trouble. we have had several area farmers flocks of sheep nearly wiped out by stray dogs. one guy lost around 30 head in 1 night. once a dog gets a kill, they will usually continue this type of behavior. i have read all the post on this and can see where people without an agricultural background may see this as some crazy blood thirsty farmer murdering two defenseless pets, and it might be, BUT it also might be some guy thats not going to have much of a christmas for his kids this year because his source of hard earned income has be destroyed. Farming isnt an easy life, there isnt much glory and the pay isnt near what it should be. also go look at the price of livestock, yall are making it sound like they are worth alot of money, slaughter cows go for -20.00-51.00, milk cows go for 50.00-125.00, lambs 41-109.00 by the way, these prices are per 100 lbs of body weight, and for common animals. i worked a purebred cattle sale about a month ago, the top lot brought $27,000 and seven day old frozen embryo's were bringing anywhere from 300 to 700 per egg. livestock can be very expensive, there is a lot of cost in producing that steak that you eat! the farmer has a small proffit if any in the product that they sell. even at stockyard prices a beef cow may weigh 1200 lbs and @51.oo that is still over 600 dollars that the animal is worth. How many of you have that much money that you let your dog chew on a stack of 100 $ bills? just my thoughts on the matter. jason
Fisherman Posted October 24, 2007 Report Posted October 24, 2007 Amen, well said Oxcowboy. Maybe this thread should be locked up, it's beginning to appear people pay less attention to the loss of human life that happens all over compared to the media sensationalism over a couple of free running dogs, whatever the breed.
bigfish1965 Posted October 24, 2007 Report Posted October 24, 2007 Agreed fisherman. The two dogs were shot as a result of bad judgment on the part of humans. Most golden retriever owners are far more careful of their pets, but accidents happen. Keep a close eye on yours.
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