irishfield Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Got to thinking about the livewells and power wash pump and realized that even if I blew/vacuumed them out, a trip on the lake would have water finding the pumps/low spots in the hoses and the power wash intake screen/pump filling with water. Fine in most cases when you are on the water...but the trailering home would freeze things and possibly bust things. First I vacuumed/blew out the recir pump in each livewell. Then I removed the intake screens from the transom and attached a 1" rubber hose and a funnel. Turned the bow live well fill pump on and added plumbing antifreeze until it spit out clean into the livewell. Then turned on my power wash and ran it, feeding in more antifreeze, until it came out consistantly pink. Same deal with rear livewell. All the antifreeze that drained out the livewell drains and intakes when I removed the hose was caught in a bucket. This antifreeze was then dumped into the boat hull bilge to take care of that small amount of water that never leaves the hull from rain. I then put the plugs in the livewells and added a bit of antifreeze to each. Mainly the rear one is my concern as it's drain plug level is exactly freeboard water level..so if you leave the plug out it gets a shallow layer of water in it. I then teflon taped the pump inlets and installed 3/4" NPT caps on each of them to keep the water out...I hope. I also filled a 16oz spray bottle with antifreeze. This is for in the boat to spray the rod locker lid seat and bow deck hatches so they don't freeze down from condensation...... that is very heavy in the fall with the water temp higher than the outside temp. Edited October 19, 2007 by irishfield
Dano Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 You'd be a great dude to buy used stuff from! Nice job Wayne, looks like you covered all the bases. Guess we wont be culling our catches at Quinte this year.
irishfield Posted October 19, 2007 Author Report Posted October 19, 2007 Nah...we're gonna eat'm all Bud !
Dano Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Mmmmmmmmm, not fillets, we'll steak those hogs!! Edited October 19, 2007 by Dano
Rizzo Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 WOW! I just leave everything open...water expands when freezing and heads out the easiest way. Oh well, I guess both ways work! Call me lazy but its worked every year. Then again, I only fish until mid december, not through the nasty cold of january and february
irishfield Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) Just playin it safe Rizzo...took a total of 15 minutes, $6 for the caps and $3.50 worth of antifreeze. No matter what there are low spots in the livewell feed lines that aren't gonna drain completely. If a pump cracks off = boat sunk. The power wash was a $400 item and again if it cracks open = boat sunk. So for $10 (next year will be $3.50!) and 15 minutes of my time...I'll be doin this every year. Edited October 20, 2007 by irishfield
Rizzo Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 great, now you have me worried! I've been ok all the years I've had boats, but maybe I will just toss a bit of antifreeze in there this year...then again, maybe not
Whopper Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 Thanks Wayne just realized that I don't have any of the winterizing done on my boat but then again I've never done it until a least December. So I should be good to go unless we get a real good cold snap, then I guess I'll have to teach the son how to do it under my supervision jeesh this will be interesting. Cheers
Ron Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 Great thinking Wayne. I do some what similar..... I always have a bottle of wind shield washer fluid in the truck with me. Once I pull the boat out of the water, I pour some into each live well. I haven't had a problem yet either. Also, I can still use the live well if need be. (makes for a great urinal in the real cold days).
Rizzo Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 makes for a great urinal in the real cold days I store my lunch in my livewell...Ron, you are never welcome in my boat
taper Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 Thanks Wayne, those step by step pics are great. I had the dealer do it the first two years but think I may do it myself this year if time permits.
Jigger Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 Good thinking Irishfield. Guess that gives me something to do today.
irishfield Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Posted October 20, 2007 Some boats drain well. My glastron livewell was directly above the transom area and all hoses were straight downhill. Other than a bit of water the unit itself held..everything drained on it's own. This one I wasn't gonna take the chance with. The hoses go off the thru hull pumps and then drop a few inches into the hull and one is running ~ 15 feet to the bow..so who knows where all it goes...and the main concern for me was the power wash pump/intake screen chamber/hose/etc. That said, many boats will be fine just pulling them out on the ramp, I just wasn't gonna take the chance with mine. Your mileage my vary!
Handlebarz Posted October 8, 2008 Report Posted October 8, 2008 yet anotehr good reminder now to just do it LOL
Terry Posted November 4, 2010 Report Posted November 4, 2010 I hope you dusted it off, when you brought this post back out
canadadude Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 so that antifreeze just gets pumped into what ever body of water your fishing????? yuk!!!!!....The MOE would love that
Grimace Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 It would be less damage than the exhaust from a boat going through the water. All the crap that runs through the storm drains go where? After sewage is treated with a lot nastier stuff than antifreeze where does it go? The water table. This is an old post but I think it is a very useful one. Thanks to irishfield for posting it a couple of years ago. By bringing this post back up you may have helped some people out.
irishfield Posted November 5, 2010 Author Report Posted November 5, 2010 so that antifreeze just gets pumped into what ever body of water your fishing????? yuk!!!!!....The MOE would love that UMMM it doesn't get pumped into any body of water in my case.. it stays in the boat, hense the capped inlets. Come spring a garden hose gets feed into inlets, pumps turned on and flushed out here in the yard. Maybe stop by the local marinas and see where the RV antifreeze goes... after they launch the boats! Every cruiser gets the antifreeze treatment. It's only alcohol.. it will evaporate.
canadadude Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 UMMM it doesn't get pumped into any body of water in my case.. it stays in the boat, hense the capped inlets. Come spring a garden hose gets feed into inlets, pumps turned on and flushed out here in the yard. Maybe stop by the local marinas and see where the RV antifreeze goes... after they launch the boats! Every cruiser gets the antifreeze treatment. It's only alcohol.. it will evaporate. Cudos to you for flushing it out,Here in St Catharines most boats are flushed out before entering the water in the spring.The MOE was already down there for an antifreeze spill, they were not happy and fortunatly no fines were handed out for the first offence.It's not only alcohol,it's more like glycol and is highly toxic to the enviroment.It may seem like it's really nothing but we should all do our part to keep toxins from being introduced to the enviroment.
aplumma Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 While the Safety Data Sheet is a dry read the use of R.V. Antifreeze is not Highly Toxic and can be diluted and flushed without adverse effects to the environment. The dilution rate of 1 gallon of RV antifreeze diluted to 100 gallons can be consumed however it would taste bad and you will get gastric distress. It is a chemical that can and will prevent costly damage to engines and plumbing systems with a small impact on the environment in large quantities at this time its advantages far exceed its drawbacks. So use it instead of the toxic Antifreeze used in automotive aplications. Art SAFETY DATA SHEET WINTER CARE RV ANTIFREEZE SECTION 1 IDENTIFICATION COMPANY NAME: CHEMICAL SPECIALTIES, INC. EMERGENCY PHONE NUMBER: 303-675-0944 TRADE NAME: RV ANTIFREEZE SECTION 2 INGREDIENTS Chemical Name/ Common Name CAS # % by Weight TLV Source Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 40 N/A De-ionized Water 7732-18-5 60 This document is prepared pursuant to the OSHA Hazard Communication Standard (29CFR 19101200). In addition, other substances not “Hazardous” per this OSHA Standard may be listed. Where proprietary ingredient shows, the identity may be made available as provided in this standard. SECTION 3 HAZARDS INDENTIFICATION NFPA RATINGS (Scale 0-4) Health Fire Reactivity Other 0 1 0 N/A Key: 0-Minimal 1-Slight 2-Moderate 3-Serious 4-Severe POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS Routes of Exposure: Eye Contact, Skin Contact, Inhalation, Ingestion, Signs and Symptoms of Overdose Eye: May cause minor eye irritation Skin: No significant adverse effects are expected under anticipated conditions of normal use. Repeated, prolonged exposure may cause slight flaking, tenderness and softening of skin. Ingestion: No significant adverse effects are expected under anticipated conditions of normal use. Excessive ingestions may cause central nervous system effects. Inhalation: No significant adverse effects are expected under anticipated conditions of normal use. If effects do occur, refer to FIRST AID section. Signs and symptoms of Overexposure: Same as above. Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated By Exposure: Material an/or its emissions may aggravate preexisting eye disease. Other Health Information: None MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET SECTION 4 FIRST AID MEASURES Ensure physician has access to this MSDS. Eyes: Immediately flush eyes with large amounts of water for 20-30 minutes, lifting lower and upper lids. Get medical attention as soon as possible. Obtain medical attention if pain, blinking, tears or redness persist. Skin: Product is not expected to present a significant skin hazard under anticipated conditions of normal use. Inhalation: If overdose by exposure, remove victim to fresh air immediately. Give oxygen or artificial respiration as needed. Obtain emergency medical attention. Prompt action is essential. Ingestion: If large quantity is swallowed, give a pint of luke warm water if victim is completely conscious and alert. If large quantities are consumed, induce vomiting. Obtain emergency medical attention. SECTION 5 FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES Flammable Properties Flash Point: 218° F Flammable or Explosive Limits (approximate % by volume in air) LEL: 2.6 UEL: 12.5 Extinguishing Media: Carbon dioxide, dry chemical, alcohol type foam, water spray, water fog Special Fire Fighting Procedures: Wear positive pressure, self contained breathing apparatus and other protective apparatus as warranted. Fight fire from distance or protected location- heat may build up pressure and rupture closed containers. Liquid may form slippery film. Use water spray of fog for cooling, solid stream may spread fire as burning liquid will float on water. Avoid frothing/steam explosion. Notify authorities if liquid enters sewers/public waters. Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards: None known. SECTION 6 ACCIDETAL RELEASE MEASURES Steps To Be Taken In Case Material Is Released Or Spilled: Prevent flow to sewers and public waters as it may contaminate said water. Restrict water usage to prevent slip/fall hazard. Soak up small spills with inert solids. Dike and recover large land spills. Notify appropriate authorities if product enters any waterway. SECTION 7 HANDLING AND STORAGE Precautions To Be Taken Handling And Storage: Store in tightly closed and properly vented containers, away from heat, spark, open flame and strong oxidizing agents. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. READ PRODUCT LABEL SECTION 8 EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION Respiratory Protection: No special respiratory protection equipment is recommended under normal conditions of anticipated use with adequate ventilation. Ventilation: Adequate general ventilation is required, local exhaust is recommended, if possible MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET SECTION 8 EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION (Continued) Protective Gloves: Not required Eye Protection: Chemical splash goggles or full face shield must be worn when possibility exists for eye contact due to splashing or spraying liquid, airborne particles, or vapor. Contact lenses should not be worn. Other Protective Equipment: None Work Practices/Engineering Controls: Keep containers closed when not in use. Personal Hygiene: If product handling results in skin contact, wash hands and other exposed areas with mild soap and water before eating, drinking, smoking or using toilet facilities. Promptly remove soiled clothing and wash thoroughly before reuse. SECTION 9 PHYSICAL PROPERTIES Boiling Point (def F): 370 Freeze Point: Product will not freeze Specific Gravity (Water=1): 1.01 Vapor Pressure (mm of Hg) @ 20C: <0.1 Vapor Density (air=1): 2.6 Water Solubility: Complete Evaporation Rate (BuAc=1): Slight Appearance: Clear, red Liquid Odor: Slightly viscous, almost odorless liquid SECTION 10 STABILITY AND REACTIVITY Stability: Stable Conditions To Avoid: Heat, sparks, open flame Materials To Avoid: Strong alkalis, strong oxidizing agents Hazardous Decomposition or By-Products: Carbon monoxide, and other toxic vapors Hazardous Ploymerization: Not expected to occur SECTION 11 DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS Waste Disposal Method: Landfill solids at permitted sites using registered transporters. Burn concentrated liquids, avoiding flameouts and assuring emissions comply with applicable regulations. Diluted aqueous waste may biodegrade, but avoid overloading plant biomass and assure effluent complies with applicable regulations. Chemical Specialties, Inc., makes no warranty, representation or guarantee as to the accuracy, sufficiency or completeness of the material set forth herein. It is the user’s responsibility to determine the safety, toxicity and suitability of his own use, handling and disposal of this product. Since actual us by others is beyond our control, no warranty, expressed or implied, is made by Chemical Specialties, Inc., as to the effects of such use, the results to be obtained or the safety and toxicity of this product, nor does Chemical Specialties, Inc. assume liability arising out of the use by others of this product referred to herein. The data in this MSDS relates only to the specific material designated herein and does not relate to use in combination with any other material or in any
Terry Posted November 5, 2010 Report Posted November 5, 2010 and Propylene glycol is used: As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5] As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520 As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, shampoo, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products As a carrier in fragrance oils As an ingredient in massage oils In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions In electronic cigarettes, as a vaporizable base for diluting the nicotine liquid As a solvent for food colors and flavorings As an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballs As a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff). As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks As a non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing drinking water systems, and in applications where the used antifreeze eventually will be drained into the soil, water, or a septic system.[6] As a less-toxic antifreeze in solar water heating systems As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developers In cryonics As a working fluid in hydraulic presses As a coolant in liquid cooling systems To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles As an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration. To treat livestock ketosis As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks. To de-ice aircraft.[7] As an ingredient in UV or blacklight tattoo ink As a lubricant in air conditioning compressors.
cram Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 Thanks for this. I hadn't thought of running antifreeze through the pump.
porkpie Posted October 31, 2014 Report Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Happy 7th birthday! Edited October 31, 2014 by porkpie
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