Covid vacine, will you,wont you ?

[smitty55]

I'll just leave this here. Medical common sense, not fear mongering from big pharma and politicians.

https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-was-jailed-finally-tells-all.-censored-by-yo.html?fbclid=IwAR35pB0aVlsxJBGxNXpv3fRekOHG1_hh3AvXMklrjIuOo60LQYi1VxE32Cw

[cisco]

8 hours ago, dave524 said:

Can't delete Dave as a quote. Nothing below has to do with Dave.

Here is a Dr who many are following as he provides covid updates and has great expertise. A bit long but he also details his take and the known data re Ivermectin.

He supports vaccines especially the Columbia one from his homeland but seems neutral on his take on Ivermectin.

Oh and sad to say but MSM news and info on much of anything these days is quite slanted in favor of paid advertisers/owners so Utube channels where experts are providing qualifications and data and opinions is fine by me. Just like Fox news showing the Dr Cory Congress presentation. I don't mind as long as no video tampering was done. LOL! to discredit him just because Fox News taped and showed his presentation is completely insane. It was a great laughable story to pass around at work.  

Edited December 19, 2020 by cisco

[MJIG]

This is the graph of hospitalizations in Canada for COVID-19 throughout the year. 

source: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

Total influenza cases confirmed (hospitalized or not) this entire season:
“To date this season, 47 influenza detections have been reported (Figure 2), which is significantly lower than the past six seasons where an average of 4,354 influenza detections were reported between weeks 35-50.”

source: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/diseases-conditions/fluwatch/2020-2021/week-50-december-6-december-12-2020.html#a2

Edited December 19, 2020 by MJIG

[MJIG]

Death rate among COVID-19 patients nearly three times higher than influenza, study suggests:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/death-rate-among-covid-19-patients-nearly-three-times-higher-than-influenza-study-suggests-1.5236346

Someone that I know had their mother pass away from COVID-19 four weeks back. Personally, I’m fortunate that nobody I’ve ever known has died from influenza.

Comparison of COVID-19 and Influenza:

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html

Edited December 19, 2020 by MJIG

[knightfisher]

38 minutes ago, smitty55 said:

I'll just leave this here. Medical common sense, not fear mongering from big pharma and politicians.

https://rumble.com/vbq6jx-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-was-jailed-finally-tells-all.-censored-by-yo.html?fbclid=IwAR35pB0aVlsxJBGxNXpv3fRekOHG1_hh3AvXMklrjIuOo60LQYi1VxE32Cw

Hundreds of Doctors world wide have come forward challenging the current narrative, and either shut down, or omitted from the msm. Not many people are willing to do their own research, and just follow their leaders.

Evil is hard to confront.

True awareness is only enjoyed by a few.

[AKRISONER]

15 hours ago, knightfisher said:

 do their own research

You mean obtain accreditation from a post secondary institution and then obtain a doctorate that allows for you to formally document your paper. Conduct a significant study and then publish it for peer review by other scientists. Upon approval you can then publish your findings...or do you mean just watch a bunch of YouTube?

the thought of non medical professionals conducting their own research to become enlightened and “woke” on how to treat disease  is dangerous.

go, talk to your doctor, and then go and seek a second, third even fourth opinion in person and then you can make an informed decision.

[knightfisher]

When faced with conflicting and or threatening information, some people stick their heads in the sand.

One's reality is based on their observations. Some will question a narrative, some will just accept what

they are being told. What is true for you is what you're willing to accept.

On this forum and many other forums around the world, many are undecided.

 

If this pic is any indication of a side effect, I may just wait a while.

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by knightfisher

[cisco]

7 hours ago, AKRISONER said:

You mean obtain accreditation from a post secondary institution and then obtain a doctorate that allows for you to formally document your paper. Conduct a significant study and then publish it for peer review by other scientists. Upon approval you can then publish your findings...or do you mean just watch a bunch of YouTube?

the thought of non medical professionals conducting their own research to become enlightened and “woke” on how to treat disease  is dangerous.

go, talk to your doctor, and then go and seek a second, third even fourth opinion in person and then you can make an informed decision.

I am fortunate to deal with hospital doctors daily. The 'Residents' do as they are allowed and told. Many haven't heard about treatments even those mentioned here. Funny but sad that when Banting and Best invented Insulin at the U of T many years ago they simply tested it on mice then some folks desperately wanted to try it since they were dying and it saved them. Viola... insulin went forward and got into production since to save the lives of millions world wide. Now this process cannot occur with many regulations and approvals needed. I'm fine with that since public safety and genetic modification is at risk. But it's completely backwards now since trial permission and funding approvals lie in the hands of regulators in bed with Big Pharma which is completely profit based.  It is no surprise that MSM and gov't has turned a blind eye to other treatments developed elsewhere or via cheap existing medicines. IMO it wouldn't matter if Russia or some other country developed a better treatment since investors and Big Pharma has decided on what will be allowed via their approval and trialing funding/allowances concerning Canada and the USA. 

MSM also fails to mention a big 'secret' which is that as old, impoverished and sickly people pass from covid so does their gov't funding. Medicare, OHIP, pension, social security and such payments are reducing as result. 

[cisco]

8 hours ago, AKRISONER said:

You mean obtain accreditation from a post secondary institution and then obtain a doctorate that allows for you to formally document your paper. Conduct a significant study and then publish it for peer review by other scientists. Upon approval you can then publish your findings...or do you mean just watch a bunch of YouTube?

the thought of non medical professionals conducting their own research to become enlightened and “woke” on how to treat disease  is dangerous.

go, talk to your doctor, and then go and seek a second, third even fourth opinion in person and then you can make an informed decision.

You talk to a doctor/bio/pal of sorts to get info too. I'm fine with that but don't toss stones while sitting in a glass fish hut. LOL!

I'd rather watch Utube vids of actual specialists and doctors with credential who have thoughts and opinions than MSM. MSM is very misleading and full of propaganda. So is Utube and facebook and so forth. That's why I look to the references/author to review credentials and affiliations. I know Fauci is plugged in with Big Pharma. Oh and doctors follow orders even though they know or as I recently discovered haven't been informed of alternatives. When his/her licencing administrative body tells a doctor what he/she is allowed to do and what protocol to exactly follow the doctor is confined there. IMHO if a patient is dying and their doctor wants to try something 'unapproved' with their blessing then why not??? This should be between patient and physician and the physician should be allowed access to whatever medicine deemed helpful at that time. Doctors now have their hands tied and ears plugged unlike Banting and best. 

Under democracy we can discuss matters and present information for others to consider. Exactly what we do here. I was aware of that Knightfisher vid a while ago and it sure is an eye opener from someone who worked alongside Fauci and who was basically tortured to have her inventions stolen. Brave lady and it should be seen by everyone to get insight to the workings of big Pharma and its underlings.

[Headhunter]

Lighten the mood a bit....

HH

[OhioFisherman]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/europe/new-variant-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/health/walter-reed-covid-19-variant/index.html

Hmmm?

 

[jonasdry]

On 12/20/2020 at 8:35 AM, AKRISONER said:

You mean obtain accreditation from a post secondary institution and then obtain a doctorate that allows for you to formally document your paper. Conduct a significant study and then publish it for peer review by other scientists. Upon approval you can then publish your findings...or do you mean just watch a bunch of YouTube?

the thought of non medical professionals conducting their own research to become enlightened and “woke” on how to treat disease  is dangerous.

go, talk to your doctor, and then go and seek a second, third even fourth opinion in person and then you can make an informed decision.

What peer review was done on these so called covid vaccines? mRNA is something new that is not the traditional vaccine. People hear the word vaccine and assume it is the same as all the other ones they have had when in reality it's not. These accredited people you mention have classified it with other well proven vaccines just to try and gain immediate trust from the public.

There are many doctors (accredited as you like to say) who have concerns but they are being drowned out by the MSM because the MSM is controlled by the globalist who should be thought of as wanna be dictators of the world.

Edited December 22, 2020 by jonasdry

[irishfield]

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[MJIG]

2 hours ago, jonasdry said:

What peer review was done on these so called covid vaccines? mRNA is something new that is not the traditional vaccine.

The regulatory approval is new.
“mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.”

source and mRNA described:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998

As for non-mRNA, “Currently, there are five vaccines in development for Covid-19 with intranasal routes of administration with spike protein in the formulation.”

They have not had clinical trials in humans yet, or hadn’t at the time of the article below.

source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200821155747.htm

They offered the following hopeful observations in the animal trials:  “In contrast, the nasal delivery route prevented infection in both the upper and lower respiratory tract -- the nose and lungs -- suggesting that vaccinated individuals would not spread the virus or develop infections elsewhere in the body.”

Edited December 22, 2020 by MJIG

[jonasdry]

40 minutes ago, MJIG said:

The regulatory approval is new.
“mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.”

source and mRNA described:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998

As for non-mRNA, “Currently, there are five vaccines in development for Covid-19 with intranasal routes of administration with spike protein in the formulation.”

They have not had clinical trials in humans yet, or hadn’t at the time of the article below.

source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200821155747.htm

They offered the following hopeful observations in the animal trials:  “In contrast, the nasal delivery route prevented infection in both the upper and lower respiratory tract -- the nose and lungs -- suggesting that vaccinated individuals would not spread the virus or develop infections elsewhere in the body.”

How long were the clinical trials for the 4 mRNA vaccines? More specifically phase three?

Do you not think that if there was a viable vaccine for influenza that they would be offering it to people? Ask you doctor about getting a vaccine for the flu. CMV is also not so different than covid, why aren't we mass immunizing for CMV? Interesting questions considering the flu and CMV aren't so different than covid in terms of transmission and mortality but ain't nobody talking about mass immunizing for those considering mRNA is some sort of trusted/proven "vaccine" right?

I love the phrase "hopeful observations".

[AKRISONER]

2 hours ago, jonasdry said:

Do you not think that if there was a viable vaccine for influenza that they would be offering it to people? Ask you doctor about getting a vaccine for the flu.

You mean...like the flu shot? Lol what?

Here we go with the “globalist, new world order” conspiracy about a depopulation agenda and that they are using mass vaccination with some form of agenda either through “mind control” or “sterilization”

somehow these shadowy figures have convinced everyone working in the healthcare industry to play along, however 1 Whistle blower lady that has had all of her accreditation’s removed due to her constant promotion of conspiracy based medical information is the only one speaking the truth.
 

The collective of politicians, canadian medical profession the pharmaceutical industry and main stream media are all lying to us in some form of grand collaboration to hurt everyone for the sake of profit

. Oh also, collapsing the stock market and enforcing lock downs that collapse the retail industry in the name of creating profits for pharmaceutical companies and Amazon specifically makes a lot of sense too.

 

you guys are way too much. SMH I can’t even believe I’m taking time to respond lmao. It must suck to live in a completely paranoid state believing that everyone is out to get you.

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by AKRISONER

[AKRISONER]

4 hours ago, jonasdry said:

What peer review was done on these so called covid vaccines? mRNA is something new that is not the traditional vaccine. 

It’s not that complicated. The us government alone spent 1.6 billion dollars on the thing.

the world was able to develop COVID-19 vaccines so quickly because of years of previous research on related viruses and faster ways to manufacture vaccines, enormous funding that allowed firms to run multiple trials in parallel, and regulators moving more quickly than normal

 

[Headhunter]

If the conspiracy theorists turn out to be correct, we will be hurting for medical expertise as all are getting the shot! LOL

HH 

[Terry]

Even in the test 50% were injected with a placebo.  Who tested what the experts were injected with to get you to take yours.   .   Lol 

[jonasdry]

37 minutes ago, AKRISONER said:

You mean...like the flu shot? Lol what?

Here we go with the “globalist, new world order” conspiracy about a depopulation agenda and that they are using mass vaccination with some form of agenda either through “mind control” or “sterilization”

somehow these shadowy figures have convinced everyone working in the healthcare industry to play along, however 1 Whistle blower lady that has had all of her accreditation’s removed due to her constant promotion of conspiracy based medical information is the only one speaking the truth.
 

The collective of politicians, canadian medical profession the pharmaceutical industry and main stream media are all lying to us in some form of grand collaboration to hurt everyone for the sake of profit

. Oh also, collapsing the stock market and enforcing lock downs that collapse the retail industry in the name of creating profits for pharmaceutical companies and Amazon specifically makes a lot of sense too.

 

you guys are way too much. SMH I can’t even believe I’m taking time to respond lmao. It must suck to live in a completely paranoid state believing that everyone is out to get you.

 

Where's the conspiracy theory? Now you are just labelling, assuming and name calling. I have worked for several pharma companies. I have been part of about 20 regulatory filings. I know what's involved with them. I don't trust rushing anything to market without due process, which in this case is what they haven't done.

How well is that flu shot working out? I know as many people who have gotten sick after receiving it than I do who have not.

You can call me all the names you want and label me as whatever you want but I have never said anything about a conspiracy or any of the Bull you have added to this. My concern is lack of due process and clinical trials for what they are injecting into people. You may be a good sheep and believe everything you hear on the 6 o'clock news, but some of us actually think about things.

[AKRISONER]

19 minutes ago, jonasdry said:

Where's the conspiracy theory? Now you are just labelling, assuming and name calling. I have worked for several pharma companies. I have been part of about 20 regulatory filings. I know what's involved with them. I don't trust rushing anything to market without due process, which in this case is what they haven't done.

How well is that flu shot working out? I know as many people who have gotten sick after receiving it than I do who have not.

You can call me all the names you want and label me as whatever you want but I have never said anything about a conspiracy or any of the Bull you have added to this. My concern is lack of due process and clinical trials for what they are injecting into people. You may be a good sheep and believe everything you hear on the 6 o'clock news, but some of us actually think about things.

Lmao you really used the term “sheep” come on man. 
 

please define the “bull” I have attributed to this conversation. Please show me the lies or non fact based information I have provided in this entire thread? Unless you are part of the group that believes that everything being published in the epidemiology summaries are lies? 
 

if that’s the case, then enjoy your time living in fear of the boogy man aka “globalistst and the elite”

how well is the flu shot working out? So you are blatantly questioning the science of the flu shot? Lol come on man. Do you also think the polio vaccine is not effective as well?

The flu shot has been scientifically proven to reduce transmission of the flu entirely between 40 and 60 percent dependant on the dominate strain each year and on top of that reduces severity of symptoms should someone unfortunately contract the illness after having the shot. 

 

 

[ecmilley]

I'll get the shot no issue for me. I get the flu shot . I have friends that are Dr.s abf there getting the shot   whats the worse thing it not work ? 

[DRIFTER_016]

I've heard the only side effect is your penis falls off.

So not a big deal.  😜

[AKRISONER]

6 minutes ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

I've heard the only side effect is your penis falls off.

So not a big deal.  😜

That’s gluten...you got it mixed up

 

 

[ecmilley]

7 minutes ago, DRIFTER_016 said:

I've heard the only side effect is your penis falls off.

So not a big deal.  😜

Then the dream of all the dads of the girls i dated as a teenager would be fufilled