Health care cutbacks NF

[Big Cliff]

Sue had an appointment with her cardiologist the other day. As usual they reviewed her medications and he went over the test results with her; the general day to day how are you coping kind of stuff. The whole thing lasted about 1/2 an hour.

 

During their conversation she was telling him that our washing machine quit and it was $95.00 just to have the guy come and tell us we needed a new one, took him less than 10 minutes.

 

The Dr. just laughed and told Sue that with the new health care cutbacks he actually gets paid $29.00 for the visit with Sue. Wynne wastes money like there is no tomorrow but our health care is getting destroyed, how does this moron get away with it?

 

 

[manjo39]

Not related to health care, but to dishwasher repair. Our dishwasher wasn't working. So my wife kicked me in the butt.

 

Also our dishwasher appliance wasn't working either. It would go through all of the cycles but no water would come out. Tried it multiple times on three different days. Finally decided to call for repair. When he got there he turned it on and it worked fine. You guessed it - $95.00.

[dave524]

 

 

The Dr. just laughed and told Sue that with the new health care cutbacks he actually gets paid $29.00 for the visit with Sue. Wynne wastes money like there is no tomorrow but our health care is getting destroyed, how does this moron get away with it?

 

 

 

Sounds about right, my wife of almost 17 years and step daughter are US citizens, before they got their landed immigrant status and OHIP cards I paid doctors fees out of pocket, they charged me what OHIP would have given them, think it was $22 back in 2002, inflation

[ketchenany]

Yup just like our car insurance was supposed to go down ! It actually did, but so did the coverage, So if you want the same coverage you have you pay for it!

 

Learned that last week. She is a beaut

[FrankTheRabbit]

So, the provincial gov't imposed cutbacks to the medical sector because of the earmarked $11 billion budget was creeping higher and higher, yet you want to blame them for wasteful spending. I thought Cons would be all for reducing wasteful spending.

 

Guess you really can't win'em all. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Mister G]

So, the provincial gov't imposed cutbacks to the medical sector because of the earmarked $11 billion budget was creeping higher and higher, yet you want to blame them for wasteful spending. I thought Cons would be all for reducing wasteful spending.

 

Guess you really can't win'em all. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

And as more and more doctors and medical staff move to the USA and the lines get longer to see a doctor, then you will be doing the complaining. But I guess there is no need for a doctor if you already died waiting to see one.

[npt1]

​You can always tell when a Politician is lying, there lips move!!

​They get away with it without any punishment and yes, they waste our dollars!!

[captpierre]

And don't forget the Doc has to pay all his overhead out of that.

Staff, rent, utilities, insurance.

That's why they have to see 50 patients a day to make a decent living.

Surprised you got 1/2 hour. Usually 5-10 min.

[FrankTheRabbit]

And as more and more doctors and medical staff move to the USA and the lines get longer to see a doctor, then you will be doing the complaining. But I guess there is no need for a doctor if you already died waiting to see one.

Average doctor's salary in Ontario is $360,000. Lemme know if you make close to that or makes your head spin. Many doctors were over billing to make even more than that average, hence for the cutbacks.

[captpierre]

Average doctor's salary in Ontario is $360,000. Lemme know if you make close to that or makes your head spin. Many doctors were over billing to make even more than that average, hence for the cutbacks.

Again, that is their billings before expenses

[NANUK]

I feel sorry for the poor doctors .

[Old Ironmaker]

20 years ago it was $32.00 a visit, then it dropped and the huge exodus of Dr's went south. They bill far beyond that to get to 300K a year. A friend of mine was a GP that retired this month, he hasn't paid for a vacation in the past 40 years, or lunch and parties for his staff as it's all covered by Pharma reps. He has taken us golfing in Mexico and I didn't need to spend a dime.

[FrankTheRabbit]

I don't recall anyone speak up when Harper decided to scale back federal health transfers to provinces from a 6% annual increase to a rate that was to be tied with the GDP, with a min of 3%. This was back around 2011/2012. Harper decides to scale back, no one bats an eye...Wynne decides to follow through with those cutbacks and all of a sudden, she's a hack.

[John Bacon]

I don't recall anyone speak up when Harper decided to scale back federal health transfers to provinces from a 6% annual increase to a rate that was to be tied with the GDP, with a min of 3%. This was back around 2011/2012. Harper decides to scale back, no one bats an eye...Wynne decides to follow through with those cutbacks and all of a sudden, she's a hack.

 

The change from 6% annual increases to the greater of 3% or the growth in GDP was scheduled to happen after 2017. It is still too early to use that as an excuse for current funding. It may not even happen now that the Trudeau Liberals are in.

 

https://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/his-eng.asp

 

 

 

 

[Ralph Field]

Morons voted Wynne in, so what she does shouldn't surprise anyone.

[FrankTheRabbit]

I simply don't understand the double standard some people have and then trying to apply a political POV on the issue.

 

if doctors are overbilling taxpayers to cover their overhead, perhaps they should live within their means and be more efficient with their spending. Why do they get a free pass when everyone else is held to the standard of watching one's budget?

[Terry]

I think doctors deserve more money

 

when you see the hours they put in the expenses they have

the education and debt

then look at what a teacher makes for working 6.5 hours a day 9.5 months a year

and I feel bad for the doctors

[FrankTheRabbit]

I think doctors deserve more money

 

when you see the hours they put in the expenses they have

the education and debt

then look at what a teacher makes for working 6.5 hours a day 9.5 months a year

and I feel bad for the doctors

I think you may have left out the part where teachers spend a few more hours marking homework, tests, exams, and then having to do lesson preps for the following day. As well as coaching a sports team. Dealing with 30+ kids in a room certainly isn't a walk in the park. And when they are off for the summer, they don't collect any pay checks and some decide to teach in summer schools.

 

If the quality of our children's education takes a back seat, how comfortable will you be when they eventually become pratictioners of medicine?

 

And if doctors are going south of the border to cash in for a bigger paycheque, doesn't that say more about their character than their desire to improve the health and well being of the general public? I thought that was why doctors wanted to pursue that profession for, as opposed to looking for a higher salary so they can afford that $1mil cottage in the Muskokas or add a Porsche to their garage.

Edited August 5, 2016 by FrankTheRabbit

[Terry]

no they dont, have to work more hours they get planing time

 

many school boards break their pays up to 26 payments so they do get paid

but damn they get the summer off life is a whine they have to try to save some of their 85/ 100,000.00 pay check to survive the summer

life is tough..and yeah 100k for 9.5 months isnt enough let get them a summer job too

I dont think I said teachers should make less

but rather docs should make more compared to teachers

 

but feel free to invent what I wrote

[FrankTheRabbit]

no they dont, have to work more hours they get planing time

 

many school boards break their pays up to 26 payments so they do get paid

but damn they get the summer off life is a whine they have to try to save some of their 85/ 100,000.00 pay check to survive the summer

life is tough..and yeah 100k for 9.5 months isnt enough let get them a summer job too

I dont think I said teachers should make less

but rather docs should make more compared to teachers

 

but feel free to invent what I wrote

Are you saying that teachers get planning time during the 6.5 hours of work they do during school hours? Teachers do work hours outside of regular school hours to mark assignments, etc. So, they don't just work 6.5 hrs a day and get to go home afterwards. This I know.

 

Doctors already make more than teachers. Avg salary of a doctor in Ontario is $360,000. I don't recall claiming that you were advocating for teachers to make less.

[Terry]

I can name many teachers who get to work 15 min before the students and leave the same time as the students

they mark work during school hours and have a filing cabinet with the whole year sitting in it

 

now subtract the build rent the doctor pays the nurse he pays for the person at the desk and all the equipment

the crazy hours he works 6 days a week for most, yes I feel compared to teachers , they are under paid

 

in most states teachers make far less then ontario teachers and their doctors make far more, hence teachers move north doctors move south

[John Bacon]

I simply don't understand the double standard some people have and then trying to apply a political POV on the issue.

 

if doctors are overbilling taxpayers to cover their overhead, perhaps they should live within their means and be more efficient with their spending. Why do they get a free pass when everyone else is held to the standard of watching one's budget?

 

What do you consider to be overbilling?

 

If a doctor has to rent an office, employ staff, and purchase medical equipment, is it overbilling if he earns enough revenue to cover these costs?

[FrankTheRabbit]

I can name many teachers who get to work 15 min before the students and leave the same time as the students

they mark work during school hours and have a filing cabinet with the whole year sitting in it

 

now subtract the build rent the doctor pays the nurse he pays for the person at the desk and all the equipment

the crazy hours he works 6 days a week for most, yes I feel compared to teachers , they are under paid

 

in most states teachers make far less then ontario teachers and their doctors make far more, hence teachers move north doctors move south

I think the teachers that I know should speak with the teachers you know. The ones that I know, arrives to the school by 7:30, leaves around 5pm, and still works a few more hours for marking papers/assignments/quizzes...PTA meetings, etc.

 

 

 

What do you consider to be overbilling?

 

If a doctor has to rent an office, employ staff, and purchase medical equipment, is it overbilling if he earns enough revenue to cover these costs?

 

 

More than 90% of physicians are independent contractors and are incorporated, allowing them certain taxable benefits: lower taxes, income splitting, and tax deferral payments. The overhead, depending on the specialist, can range from 10%-38%, but the average seems to be around 26%, which is self-reported.

 

 

Average case scenario: Physician bills $360,000-$93,600 (26% overhead) nets $266,400 with a take home income of $169,297 after taxes, with the ability to defer taxes around $86,000, which stays in the corporation.

 

I think back in 2013, 252 physicians billed around the $1 mil mark, equating to $252 mil. If general taxpayers are to be held to the same standards of living within your means, why should doctors be exempted?

 

But this has gotten a bit off topic...my main point is why the double standard when there are cutbacks?

[Moosebunk]

I know new Docs working 5-6 days a week between both clinics & hospitals combined, making upwards of $500,000 a year... And some Physicians pulling the same amount of time in remote communities on contract for X number of years have been said to be earning close to a mil a year.

 

Some examples of pay... $160-180/hr in rural ER. $1200/day on-call or working in a northern office.

 

Many Physicians nowadays in general practice are part of Healthcare teams with other Docs and services sharing the rent and resources. They still earn incredible money with that, and for a 9-5 M-W-F office job in reality. And then there's the extras earned through other days/hours spent working in hospitals or within other practices nearby.

 

Any Physician tells you they're underpaid, it would only be because they're doing something wrong. In my time beyond 2000 noting what's been happening in the north, I have seen their annual incomes rise from $180,000-220,000 to $380,000-500,000.. and in some regions again, it can reach closer to a mil. In that same amount of time, I think nurses have taken about an 9 - 11% raise, have been cutback and cutback, and working in what is fast becoming one of if not the most under-man-powered, most governed and heavy work-loaded degree educated professions. And the NP's... talk about getting the shaft even more.

 

The Physician's Union sure is a strong one it seems.

Edited August 5, 2016 by Moosebunk

[Mister G]

I think the teachers that I know should speak with the teachers you know. The ones that I know, arrives to the school by 7:30, leaves around 5pm, and still works a few more hours for marking papers/assignments/quizzes...PTA meetings, etc.

 

 

 

 

More than 90% of physicians are independent contractors and are incorporated, allowing them certain taxable benefits: lower taxes, income splitting, and tax deferral payments. The overhead, depending on the specialist, can range from 10%-38%, but the average seems to be around 26%, which is self-reported.

 

 

Average case scenario: Physician bills $360,000-$93,600 (26% overhead) nets $266,400 with a take home income of $169,297 after taxes, with the ability to defer taxes around $86,000, which stays in the corporation.

 

I think back in 2013, 252 physicians billed around the $1 mil mark, equating to $252 mil. If general taxpayers are to be held to the same standards of living within your means, why should doctors be exempted?

 

But this has gotten a bit off topic...my main point is why the double standard when there are cutbacks?

Next time someone you know and love is really sick, call a teacher and see how that works out.