buckhorn250 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Looking for some idea of the level of awareness of the wild rice issue on the tri-lakes. I am supportive of the harvesting of wild rice, however I learned this year that the rice that has taken over our bay is not natural and is being planted by an individual from Curve lake who openly admits that he is planting seed. Ive done a bit of research and sounds like Pigeon is even worse. The rice is being sold commercially under the brand Black Duck. Again the individual has a license to commercially harvest rice, but the planting of rice is clearly illegal. As I indicated in the title its not really a fishing discussion but I have definitely seen the negative impact to the bass fishing over the last several years. Any way looking to see what others think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnote Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 If hes planting rice illegally he should be stopped or charged to prevent further damage to the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 http://ontariofishingcommunity.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanjo Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I do no want to get into legality - simple answer is plant milkweed - it good for all sorts of butterflies and worms. You will find what kills wild rice is two items, one is that not cultivated well the debris from previous years will destroy future crops and yield the second is wild rice worm. Everyone who has cottages should plant milkweed wont solve the problem but can help contain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I do no want to get into legality - simple answer is plant milkweed - it good for all sorts of butterflies and worms. You will find what kills wild rice is two items, one is that not cultivated well the debris from previous years will destroy future crops and yield the second is wild rice worm. Everyone who has cottages should plant milkweed wont solve the problem but can help contain. Don't milkweed and wild rice grow in different areas? I.e. milkweed grows on land while wild rice grows in water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanjo Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yes milkweed is on land but this is where the adult moths for the worm will feed. More milkweed better survival and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Them supposed rights again. Gonna be another fight where the goverment pays them off. Just lime the cranberrie Bull a couple years ago. The silting in of areas due to this and other factors is gonna mess up the lakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Maybe time for a group anchor drag ? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I don't know about the legality but a truckload of these fellas should clean up the problem http://ackenberrytroutfarms.com/grass-carp-prices-alberta.html Funny, they are for sale out there and here they are the scourge of the Great Lakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) A couple of things I dont understand about this. Whether Whetung is allowed to plant intentionally and and if selling the rice commercially are within his treaty rights. I read an article recently in the local paper that said he was going to be reintroducing wild rice to Rice lake. Why would he choose Rice Lake - probably due to the huge fishing tourism that people will be up in arms about losing that business. If he was truly in this to be in the wild rice business, why wouldnt he plant Buckhorn or Chemong for obvious reasons. He wants Rice Lake due to the impact it would have on the fishing tourism and will get more attention from the government. Just like anything dealing with Native Canadians this will take many years to resolve. By that time South Pigeon will be choked from the dog leg at the river all the way to the passage leading to Gannons narrows. Who knows about Rice Lake. Hes looking for a payout IMO, otherwise why would he be thinking about planting Rice Lake? Edited September 8, 2015 by Dutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Historically, rice lake was a harvested area for wild rice. They dont call it rice lake for nothing. I have to go for a boat ride. Its been a few years since I was on the south end of pigeon, and its only 20 mins from my driveway. I dont have a problem with harvesting the rice, but planting it shouldnt be allowed. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's been getting choaked out more & more every year ..... Emily creek is almost blocked out it had taken over in many many spots !!!! Brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It doesn't seem like sturgeon has any more than usual. I've seen it with more, but many years ago. I like the rice for waterfowling.....but planting it is not cool. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 .but planting it is not cool. S. That guy must have long arms to plant those seeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/rice-farming-in-ontario-lake-sparks-fight-over-treaty-and-property-rights/article26155200/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The globeand mail doesn't say the most important thing. $12 per lb baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The globeand mail doesn't say the most important thing. $12 per lb baby. Ricing is hardwork. $12 per lb is expensive to buy but next to nothing in return for the work. Planting rice is a no no IMO Harvesting I see no issue with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Driving around a lake with a machine bringing in the rice is hard work? How many lb a year is he getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Driving around a lake with a machine bringing in the rice is hard work? How many lb a year is he getting? Sorry i assumed he was ricing, as in traditional ricing. And cleaning it is quite the chore. But I suppose he has some cleaning machine as well??? Ok read up on the links and hes using a boat as opposed to a canoe. Yes its frigging hard work, have an elder take ya out sometime and try it? Edited September 9, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 The comment about seeding is rediculous however. Yes it is culturally accurate to give back for what you take. Thats why you lay tobacco Spreading more seed is just gonna be a disaster. Wreck the lake and this guys gonna be found dead, in the lake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Someone find out how many lb a year he is getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodbender Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 More in pot than rice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmer Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I hardly go out fishing anymore (I live in the south end) it's a lot of work to fish the rice and quite the drive up the lake in a smaller boat to get past the fields for a short fish. I used to go our every night after work, rarely did that this year. Not sure where it's all leading to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhorn250 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Thanks guys Appreciate the perspective. This will end up in the courts if the authorities don't act...there is too much at stake for property owners. One of my neighbours has given me a heads up on a potential class action law suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Anything stopping everyone from harvesting some wild rice? About time this form of extortion got put to an end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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