Headhunter Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 It appears as though our federal and provincial governments have decided that they will be employing a carbon tax on both industry and individuals. News outlets are reporting that individuals will see an increase in fuel costs equating to about 2-3 cents/ litre of gas sold. Don't get me wrong, I do care about the environment and the environment my children will be living in, but I fail to understand how me paying more for fuel helps the environment? Indications are that the funds raised will go towards low income families, but how exactly is that helping the environment? I have a call into my local MPP for clarification and I await a call back. Anyone have any idea how this is going to work? Is it just another tax for our cash starved governments to collect? thanks, HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkpie Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Here is how this is going to work. It is the beginning of a good rogering by the federal govt. in cahoots with a Provincial liberal govt that has been screwing us for years already. Get ready for 4 more years of screwing at the very least, if not 8 given canadian voting history of 8-10 years of liberal then 8-10 of conservative. Enjoy it! I'm sure little poo and his minions will enjoy boning us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr blizzard Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 They are already talking how this will be putting more people out of work esp in the already hard hit province of Alberta which has a domino effect I agree hh we have to look after the environment but we have to include jobs and economic growth into the same recipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 They are already talking how this will be putting more people out of work esp in the already hard hit province of Alberta which has a domino effect I agree hh we have to look after the environment but we have to include jobs and economic growth into the same recipe Absolutely agree Mr B! What I fail to comprehend is how my spending more for fuel, will help the environment? If the governments told us that the money raised would be put back into our economy and invested in new technology development, I could see that being of benefit to all Canadians. That's not what they are saying now though.... HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 If your MPP is a liberal, you will be wasting your time talking to him/her unless you like listening to rhetoric. I feel like a lamb being lead to the............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 My MPP is a Minister of two portfolios! Still awaiting a call back from her office... HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookinforwalleye Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I guess we are tired of the Liberals already..... :clapping: :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Got the call back. It seems as though it's a little too early to be asking some questions, at least at my MPP's office. I did learn that the tax is to be geared toward industry, rather than the consumer, but in the end, so to speak, the consumer is likely to be absorbing the tax, should that industry not meet it's agreed amounts and have to pay the tax. They are using Quebec and California's examples as templates for how they are planning on implementing our Carbon Tax. They also indicated that the revenue generated, will be put toward investment into new technologies and the environment, not the big pool. I'm going to keep an eye on this and have been invited to call back should I have any further questions. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm in favor of a carbon tax if it's net is revenue neutral (charge the polluters, pass savings to non polluters) but if it's just a cash grab then that's another story. I also wonder how they implement it in concert with a TPP when products-from-far-away should naturally have more carbon tax attached to them (which is a good thing if you like buying from Canada instead of Asia).....but wouldn't that go against free trade? Also wonder how produce from california or mexico in the winter isn't going to suddenly be more expensive. Does this mean poor kids eat more processed and rich kids get to eat fresh produce? Will be interesting to see how they plan to do it. I worry it's just a cash grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkrp Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 If something isnt done we will smother ourselves in our own greedy affluence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KraTToR Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Here is how this is going to work. It is the beginning of a good rogering by the federal govt. in cahoots with a Provincial liberal govt that has been screwing us for years already. Get ready for 4 more years of screwing at the very least, if not 8 given canadian voting history of 8-10 years of liberal then 8-10 of conservative. Enjoy it! I'm sure little poo and his minions will enjoy boning us! Until they look within, this will always be the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxie Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I told you guys this KID was bad news. Edited November 24, 2015 by moxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxie Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) If something isnt done we will smother ourselves in our own greedy affluence. Wrong. You forget about everyone else?? Besides if you do believe we've caused enough damage as has been said by some , what the hell makes anyone think we can stop it let alone reverse it ? We are only human and give ourselves too much credit. As far as JT & Uncle Kate go? We won't have two nickles to rub together or a pot to piss in once these Socialists are done with us. Many thanks to PSWs', whiny Millenials and The Great Unwashed. Edited November 24, 2015 by moxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 just a screw the hard working people tax......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallie Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Oh no we have to get rid of harper we cant possibly take any more conservative government!!! Annnnnddddd here come the money grabs. Id like to personally thank every fear mongering liberal voter for the next 4 years of being super poor, thanks for the majority guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkrp Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I would rather breathe cleaner air and fish in cleaner water than worry about the political nature of the issue. To me it is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cram Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I would rather breathe cleaner air and fish in cleaner water than worry about the political nature of the issue. To me it is a no brainer. Could've accomplished the same with a net neutral tax......vs one intended to generate revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallie Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You arent any closer to clean air or water for a long time with this plan, if it worked like that id agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 If something isnt done we will smother ourselves in our own greedy affluence. Great quote. I'm in favour of doing something rather than nothing, but I have little faith in government (of any political party) to manage it properly. The theory behind paying more is that it will create an incentive for people to move away from oil dependence and towards green technologies. I think it's a shame if the government doesn't use any additional revenues generated for environmental related spending though. It should not just go into the general revenue slush fund never to be seen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeXXington Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Funny how everyone is "we must clean the environment" Don't see any restrictions on cheap china imports that are made while polluting 100% more. Some reason people think the pollution in China does not affect Canada. Free trade is Free trade.. Carbon tax on Canada goods made while polluting // same thing for china goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Oh no we have to get rid of harper we cant possibly take any more conservative government!!! Annnnnddddd here come the money grabs. Id like to personally thank every fear mongering liberal voter for the next 4 years of being super poor, thanks for the majority guys! You're accusing the Liberals of being the ones fear mongering? Where have you been for the last ten years under Harper? That guy fear mongers with the best of them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhunter Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Great quote. I'm in favour of doing something rather than nothing, but I have little faith in government (of any political party) to manage it properly. The theory behind paying more is that it will create an incentive for people to move away from oil dependence and towards green technologies. I think it's a shame if the government doesn't use any additional revenues generated for environmental related spending though. It should not just go into the general revenue slush fund never to be seen again. The rep at my MPP's office indicated that the fund generated are to be used for environmental concerns and investment in new technologies aimed at the environment I did ask specifically if the funds were going "into the big pot" but was told it is not... but since they really don't have any idea what they are doing, other than following the California/Quebec model, time will tell. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxie Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 You're accusing the Liberals of being the ones fear mongering? Where have you been for the last ten years under Harper? That guy fear mongers with the best of them..... Thats all Lieberals do. Stephen Harpers' hidden agenda is all weve heard about over the last decade. Worked for the thieves currently at the helm in Ontario with the "In their pocket union lackies". Now they're banging their heads against the wall and spending money deploying "fear mongering" ads against the very govt that "Fear mongered" against BIG Bad Tim Hudak. What a bunch of weak minded, fear mongering lackies . Funny indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch01 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Thats all Lieberals do. Stephen Harpers' hidden agenda is all weve heard about over the last decade. Worked for the thieves currently at the helm in Ontario with the "In their pocket union lackies". Now they're banging their heads against the wall and spending money deploying "fear mongering" ads against the very govt that "Fear mongered" against BIG Bad Tim Hudak. What a bunch of weak minded, fear mongering lackies . Funny indeed.That's funny, I didn't see the Libs or NDP spending millions on purely negative attack ads. Also, there aren't even remotely close to enough "union lackeys" to give someone a majority.. Trudeau won by the same +/- 40% majority that Harper did. That's a whole lot of Canadians who don't agree with you. A big reason why Harper lost is because Canadians rejected negativity and fear tactics. Edited November 25, 2015 by Dutch01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallie Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 To be honest i mostly threw the fear mongering part in for a kick, im just upset about the first of im sure many rampant taxes i will soon face. Show me a plan that will actually do some good for the environment and i wont complain(as much)? about having to pony up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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