Hooked Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 My brother is getting a new boat and is conflicted by which motor he should get. He is looking at getting a 20' Legend Xcalibur. Which motor would you all recommend to go with it? Has to be Mercury. Thanks.
Pigeontroller Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 Get the 4 stroke, and put in on something other than a Legend. Tell him to check Alumacraft pricing...
Terry Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 I looked at an 18 foot Legend they wanted 16,000.00 with a 50 on it..a 50 to upgrade to a 150 they wanted 18,000.00 more which meant they wanted more the 22,000.00 for that engine oh to answer the question, go with the 4 stroke
Rich Clemens Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Get the 4 now. My last boat had a 2 stroke and I regretted that decision and should have spent the extra $$$$. When I got a new boat - upgrading to the 4 stroke was a no-brainer. Edited January 25, 2013 by Rich Clemens
ratherboutdoors Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 4 stroke, should he ever have to sell it...
lew Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) I drove a 90 HP Merc 4 stroke for 9 years, then sold it to a bud who's had it for 4 years now. To this day it's never had a single issue and runs as good as the day it was originally purchased. Regular maintanance and a bit of TLC and they'll go forever. Great motors. Edited January 25, 2013 by lew
Cast-Away Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 6 year ago half of the replies here would have been 2 stroke, now 4 stroke is unanimous. Have a 1999 Merc 4 stroke on a 17' Legend and love it. I can easily pull 2 water skiers. Funny enough the chassis is Merc and the engine block is a Yammy.
captpierre Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 It used to piss me off to pay a marina $250 in the fall the do the routine end of season service required for my 2007 4 stroke 115 Yammy/Lund. That pretty much ate up the fuel savings for the year. But now I do it myself for about $80 and using Yamalube oil (expensive) The quietness of the motor, lack of smoke and no need to use 2 stroke oil are the benefits. Extra cost initially and extra weight are downsides. Also lack of hole shot, especially when loaded, also not as good.
Hooked Posted January 25, 2013 Author Report Posted January 25, 2013 Thanks for your replies boy's, I have relayed the obvious answer to him. I think he just ordered it too. Can't wait to check it out! That thing is going to boogy.
lookinforwalleye Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 Nothing wrong with a 2 stroke if it`s a Opti, love mine. Second the Alumacraft statement!
John Bacon Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 Is the two stroke an Optimax or a traditional two stroke? There is a big difference. I would still take a two stroke if there is a big price difference. I saved ~$3,000 by going with a two stroke when I bought my boat. I don't that that a four stroke would save me $3,000 in gas.
mike rousseau Posted January 25, 2013 Report Posted January 25, 2013 Is the two stroke an Optimax or a traditional two stroke? There is a big difference. I would still take a two stroke if there is a big price difference. I saved ~$3,000 by going with a two stroke when I bought my boat. I don't that that a four stroke would save me $3,000 in gas. On a 150 I think the four stroke would easily pay you back in gas savings depending on how you fish... and As long as you plan on keeping the boat for a while... And if you don't the 4 stroke will pay you back on resale..... But I'm looking at this as a troller......if I go out for 10 hours my motor runs for 10 hours.... I had a 25 merc 2 stroke and my 50 Yamaha 4 stroke burns around the same as the 25 did in a day....
John Bacon Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 The On a 150 I think the four stroke would easily pay you back in gas savings depending on how you fish... and As long as you plan on keeping the boat for a while... And if you don't the 4 stroke will pay you back on resale.....But I'm looking at this as a troller......if I go out for 10 hours my motor runs for 10 hours....I had a 25 merc 2 stroke and my 50 Yamaha 4 stroke burns around the same as the 25 did in a day.... The $3,000 savings was for a 50hp. I do a lot of trolling with with but I still only but about 10-15 liters per outing, max. That will be a lot of days of fishing before I save three grand with a four stroke. The savings on a 150hp would be higher, but I think the price difference would be too. You could probably buy a kicker for less than the price difference. I am not convince that I would get it back in resale value either. As a matter of fact when I had my boat at the marina for a new prop; the person I was dealing with mentioned that people would be willing to pay big bucks for my motor because they don't make them anymore.
Muskieman Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 For a smaller outboard on my boat 14 ft no brainer, 2 stroke , 4 stroke 70lbs more . Larger boat ( 17.5 hopefully in April) will for sure have a 4 stroke .
Hooked Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 For some reason the 2-stroke is $300 more?
Gerry Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 I'll go against the grain here and state that 2 stroke, DFI engines are better in the higher HP ranges, i.e. 150HP and up. The newer DFI 2 strokes are as good or better in fuel economy and emissions, while the power to weight ratio puts the 2 strokes at a definate advantage. To say that a 4 stroke is better overall is simply not correct. I've attached a couple of indepedent articles on this issue and I would advise anyone to read them carefully. I have owned DFIs', Mercury Optimax (225HP), and I must state that in my experience they have been very reliable and best for me. I insist on good acceleration throughout the power band and in my opinion 2 strokes deliver this much better than 4 strokes. in the lower HP range, i.e. under 70HP, 4 stroke is the better option except for weight. In the 70HP to 150HP range, it's a tossup. I also own a 4 stroke kicker motor and these are better for trolling applications. http://www.idofishing.com/forum/showflat.php/Number/20670/fpart/1/dfi-2-stroke-vs-4-stroke-outboards http://www.allatsea.net/southeast/outboard-engine-roundup-examining-todays-two-stroke-engines/,
fishnsled Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 For some reason the 2-stroke is $300 more? That is a XS Optimax they are showing, it's a performance motor and probably why it is more expensive. A regular Opti will be cheaper.
Steve Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 gotta love the legend. comes with a 75 but can put a 150hp on it.... nothing a stock motor at 50% capacity. sigh.
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