Dave Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 ...only those weren't assault rifles. The guns used in those shootings are what the media refers to as assault rifles. An AR-15 isn't an assault rifle?
lew Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 Didn't we have this exact same discussion, almost word for word, only a month ago ??
Dave Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 One of the things I have see in this 'debate' since Newtown are people who are scared that they might not be able to go hunting. Okay, legitimate worry. I see people who are scared that they may not be able to practise their skills on a range. Yep, legitimate worry. There are people who are scared that they may have a constitutional right abridged. Again, legitimate. I personally don't think that any of those things are in danger at all, but I will grant that some could. But I also see a hell of a lot of people who seem to be scared simply because they will be without a gun. If you are scared because you don't have a gun, there is something seriously wrong with you, and/or your society. And more guns will not solve those problems.
chessy Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Posted January 21, 2013 some of you guys need to read a few post back on what New York state just consider a assault weapon .. its a semi auto 1187 remington and they even build them in that state.. its a very slippery slope
DoubleDigits Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 ...only those weren't assault rifles. The guns used in those shootings are what the media refers to as assault rifles. Actually, they were assault rifles. As in, assault rifles as defined by US law, in the previous Assault Weapons Ban, and the NY laws. They are defined as semi-auto weapons with 'tactical' combat features such as flash suppressors, detachable mags, etc. These are the types of weapons used in Newton and Aurora. To my knowledge, the media, nor anyone here have confused semi-auto and full auto, or .22 with .30...
bushart Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 I guess you never were involved with Ontario's spring bear hunt then. Look what political pressure put on some Southern Ontario politicians by some antis did for it. It did a lot of damage to a lot of Northerm Ontario businesses and created a lot of nuisance bear issues. Some true points Never any evidence it was P3TA that changed the MNR's mind though directly though----Just P3TA gets dropped for a fav excuse from gun control to shore lunch That spring bear is a difficult discussion---if your only after furs---maybe should go to the trappers Me--no never been a bear hunter
woodenboater Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 I always thought P3TA were more bluster and pr than anything. Most right thinking people can make up their own minds without them tossing paint on people or telling people a cute animal is just that and not food for the table. Basically we give them more credit than they deserve tbh. and yes, they do seem to be able to generate headlines with aplomb.
dave524 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 An AR-15 isn't an assault rifle? No it isn't an M16 is an assault rifle.
bushart Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 Seen a good t-shirt "Meat is Murder----Tasty, Tasty Murder"
Fish Farmer Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Didn't we have this exact same discussion, almost word for word, only a month ago ?? Your right Lew There talking about banning assault weapons ( machine guns), not hunting Rifles. You can't use assault weapons to hunt. Leave them to the military or police. Those wackos get off on assault weapons. Edited January 21, 2013 by Fish Farmer
Rich Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 P3TA is now 30 years into the game and has had zero impact on what I do or how I do it Continuing to use them as a threat is tiring and ubstantiated--although I would like to meet Pam Anderson The current talks on assault weapons has obviously come about because of the horrifying incidents at Newtown and Colo etc..etc...etc Those high capacity mags are the target---if your fumbling to change clips----even a few lives may be saved---or loons may be overtaken They completely changed all of Germany to catch and keep only, as it was deemed "cruel" to catch and release for sport. That's a pretty substantial threat.
Dave Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 No it isn't an M16 is an assault rifle. Okay. I've used an M-16, and knew it was developed from the AR-15, didn't realise that the latter was only semi-auto. Don't know how easy it is to convert to full, but some are dead simple (see my previous post).
Dave Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 You can't use assault weapons to hunt. You can, but if you need to it probably means that you're a really lousy shot.
bushart Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 They completely changed all of Germany to catch and keep only, as it was deemed "cruel" to catch and release for sport. That's a pretty substantial threat. Sorry Rich That does not affect what we do here one bit----and after 30 years of ads---still has'nt Would'nt lose any sleep about P3TA harming your fishing Now overfishing and pollution----different story
Dave Bailey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 They completely changed all of Germany to catch and keep only, as it was deemed "cruel" to catch and release for sport. That's a pretty substantial threat. Then I would say that 'our side' didn't do a good enough job putting our case across. Germany, last time checked, is a democracy. I dislike P3TA as much as anyone, as a tree-hugging nature lover they give me a bad name, but the best way to combat a bad argument (theirs) is with a better argument. If we can't put one before the people, parliament, or a court, the other side wins.
chris.brock Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 I agree with ch312 I have an assault weapon, I bought it because it was cheap and fun to play around with, there's no way to mount a scope, although it would be fine for hunting big game it may look nasty but there's not much difference between it and a 308 or 30-06 semi-auto hunting rifle with a similar magazine
bushart Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 I also believe P3TA is a pain in the pants In well over 50 years---I have'nt had Martians stop my fishing/hunting and I also have not had P3TA stop me So I"ll take 50 plus years Alex----Not worryin about either Just seems like the last straw some make to instill fear with their so called gun control message is to cry--P3TA is gonna tell the gov't to stop hunting/fishing Talk to the ministry---not happ'n
outllaw Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 funny. most of us grew up with a single shot winchester cooey.
aplumma Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 Canada has there own gun laws that the citizens voted and approved. The US has a set of gun laws that they voted and approved. It is 2 entirely different mind sets here. You did not have a cultural background that allowed you to grow up with certain types of weapons so they seem evil to you. Examples are pistols and semi automatic weapons that resemble military arms. The M16 was the first rifle I was trained on in the SeaBees along with the M60 both are Full Automatic rifles that are ILLEGAL for any civilian to own without a very special and hard to obtain license. The AR 15 is a semi auto rifle that a trained gunsmith can alter to go full auto how ever he has committed a FELONY and risks some serious jail time. We are not trying to get full auto rifles into civilian hands but we are trying to keep the CHOICE of what we can have. I can't tell you why a gun collector needs an AR15 in his collection but I defend his right to have that. Realize that no one has ever been killed by a gun they have been killed by the person who aimed the gun. Better background checks will be ineffective some of the worst subhumans in history went undiscovered. I really don't know how to convince any of the Canadians why this is an important fight but it is. While nothing is black and white nor cut and dry but here on OFC it will continue to be debated both in wisdom and ignorance with the end result of a few smiles and a few hurt feelings. The final votes will still be cast by the people that it affects the citizens of the United States. Which if passed I hope it is not contagious and inflicts itself on Canada. Art
bushart Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 Cool We already have background checks Art I recently renewed my Possession/Acquisition You need several character witnesses and a spouses sig Then the rcmp takes 2 mos to check you out before you can even buy ammo
dhickey Posted January 21, 2013 Report Posted January 21, 2013 assult weapons were developed for war not hunting.... at no point would any resonsable hunter fill its prey full of bullets to the piont of hamberger.... Do you have the right to own guns YES... Doo you have the right to own GUNS desighned for millitary use?? No.. Just my 2cents. and yes I did read through the 4 pages...
Rich Posted January 22, 2013 Report Posted January 22, 2013 I have a pretty strong argument that what happens in other countries affects us quite strongly, especially in cases of "animal cruelty" .. but this has been far derailed enough.
moxie Posted January 22, 2013 Report Posted January 22, 2013 I have never been nor will I ever be Anti-Gun but there must be a sane balance. I'm out.
whiskywizard Posted January 22, 2013 Report Posted January 22, 2013 assult weapons were developed for war not hunting.... at no point would any resonsable hunter fill its prey full of bullets to the piont of hamberger.... Do you have the right to own guns YES... Doo you have the right to own GUNS desighned for millitary use?? No.. Just my 2cents. and yes I did read through the 4 pages... I'd suggest you not get in the habit of avoiding things that were designed for war, just because of the origin. The list is long, and USEFUL! Here are just a few: aircraft SONAR helicopter medivac RADAR submarines snorkles steel ships personal computers, ...
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