Grimace Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I just came across this article and found it a little unsettling. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/16/hunters-gun-us-patriot-act.html Ontario hunters' personal data stored in U.S. The Canadian Press Posted: May 16, 2012 6:35 PM ET Last Updated: May 16, 2012 6:34 PM ET The personal information of Ontario residents who apply for hunting and fishing licences is being stored in the United States, where it is subject to the American Patriot Act. A Tennessee-based company won the contract to implement an automated licensing system for Ontario for hunters and fishers, and stores the personal data it collects in the United States. The Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters says its 100,000 members are "deeply concerned" about the potential loss of privacy inherent in having their personal data stored in the U.S. Natural Resources Minister Michael Gravelle says the firm, Active Outdoors, signed a contract with very specific terms on abiding by Ontario law to protect personal information. However, the anglers and hunters worry Homeland Security will use the Patriot Act to access the personal data of Ontarians that is stored in the U.S. The Progressive Conservatives say the data should be stored in Ontario, while the NDP say the issue is another reason why they flatly oppose privatization of government services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) man. I sure hope those damned Americans don't find out I hunt moose .....LOL:sarcasm: Edited May 17, 2012 by Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine5068 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I think it's about time that the US start staying out of our business. It seems I'm saying this more and more these days. They have totally messed up their country and have all the people in a hypnotic, fear-mongering state down there. Leave us alone and stay out of our politics. Some VERY disturbing things about their politics(corruption), messed up medical system and REALLY messed up finances there. We're smart Canucks to have no part in what they say or try to tell us what's good for us. That's my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fishnwire Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I don't understand what is "unsettling". Your name may exist in a data base in a foreign country...so what? What could happen? How is that a "loss of privacy"? I bought a new Hyundai a few years back. My name may very well exist in some Korean data base, and I'm perfectly fine with that. Why would I feel differently if the name of that data base is "Firearm Owner" instead of "Accent Purchaser"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I think it's about time that the US start staying out of our business. It seems I'm saying this more and more these days. They have totally messed up their country and have all the people in a hypnotic, fear-mongering state down there. Leave us alone and stay out of our politics. Some VERY disturbing things about their politics(corruption), messed up medical system and REALLY messed up finances there. We're smart Canucks to have no part in what they say or try to tell us what's good for us. That's my two cents. This has to be one of the most dumb post I have ever seen..... FIRST it was your country that signed the contract with a PRIVATE firm in the U.S.A. to do your licensing for fishing and hunting....our government had nothing to do with it. Second we have the BEST Health Care in the World here.......If needed, I could get a MRI tomorrow.....I have heard the horror stories here with guys waiting 8 months to get a MRI only to have it cancelled for one reason or another....your own government officials come here for medical procedures....check on your Prime Ministor from Newfoundland..... ...he had heart surgery down here... And yes, Canada has the only honest politicians... You have a lovely country up there....but don't try to make it better by putting down Big Brother......we have enjoyed each other's countries for ever......but the way your making it out, you may want to invade us for our own good......not a good idea... Long live Canada and the United States of America...... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoty Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 And again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace Posted May 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 My agitation with this lies with the MNR not the USA. I find Marines's comments to be silly. I find it odd that a bunch of people that absolutely loathe the gun registry would now be okay with the MNR allowing an American company to document this information and turn it over to homeland security when asked. I can see Canadians on vacation in the USA running into problems with the law because of it. Those are the reasons for my concern. I do not see the Kia comment as a valud comparison. I do not think that Kia, upon sale of a car in Ontario, documents specific personal information, sends it off to head office in Korea, who then hand it over to their federal anti terrorist agency. But hey, I could be wrong. :-) This can be a perfectly intelligent thread if it can endure the silly anti USA rants and the inflammatory "Jerry Jerry" signs from the peanut gallery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I can see Canadians on vacation in the USA running into problems with the law because of it. What kind of info might be included that would get you in trouble while on vacation? Name & address (which they usually record when you enter anyways) and what fishing/hunting license you may have? It just doesn't seem there would be any so-called "private information" in the data-bank. That being said, I do think it's ridiculous the MNR would hire a company from Tennessee to administer the whole thing. Surely an Ontario based company could have been found, or god forbid they could do it in-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Billy, I have a seizure disorder. I get MRI's within 24 hours. I have had five in the last 10 years. Many ECG's, EEG's, and CAT's as well. And I don't pay a cent for them. (no need for Buffalo MRI - legal form of financial raping) It's all who you talk to, and who you hear stories from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing yoda Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Wow, more proof that the conservative goverment doesn't care about canadians information! here's another great example....Huawei Technologies!!! and the telecom industry, were all gonna be speaking chinese in 10 years from now! Harper gov't slowly selling canada to whoever wants to line his pockets including communist regimes! !! And as far as the U.S thing goes, its not like they can do anything we have this great thing here called freedom of speech.. problem is once you cross that border you might be screwed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishnwire Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Second we have the BEST Health Care in the World here.......If needed, I could get a MRI tomorrow..... Assuming you've got the cash. Sorry Bob, I couldn't resist. I do not see the Kia comment as a valud comparison. I do not think that Kia, upon sale of a car in Ontario, documents specific personal information, sends it off to head office in Korea, who then hand it over to their federal anti terrorist agency. But hey, I could be wrong. :-) There's no evidence to suggest that that is what happened with the personal information of Canadian firearm owners either...this is no more than a matter of some paranoid individuals suspecting it may happen. Even if they're right...what's the difference? I'd love for someone to explain to me how their freedom, privacy or any other aspect of their lives can be impinged upon by the mere existence of their name documented as a legal firearm owner in a foreign database. Do naturally paranoid people tend to be gun owners...or does the act of firearm ownership make one paranoid? I ask because I notice a lot of gun owners I talk to seem convinced that the world is conspiring to take their guns away, and only their constant vigilance prevents that from happening. Is that what this is all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smally21 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 you guys post way more private information on this forum than the US government will ever learn from your fishing and hunting license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Wow, more proof that the conservative goverment doesn't care about canadians information! here's another great example....Huawei Technologies!!! and the telecom industry, were all gonna be speaking chinese in 10 years from now! Harper gov't slowly selling canada to whoever wants to line his pockets including communist regimes! !! And as far as the U.S thing goes, its not like they can do anything we have this great thing here called freedom of speech.. problem is once you cross that border you might be screwed! Aren't hunting and fishing licences a provincial thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdritchie Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Wow, more proof that the conservative goverment doesn't care about canadians information! here's another great example....Huawei Technologies!!! and the telecom industry, were all gonna be speaking chinese in 10 years from now! Harper gov't slowly selling canada to whoever wants to line his pockets including communist regimes! !! And as far as the U.S thing goes, its not like they can do anything we have this great thing here called freedom of speech.. problem is once you cross that border you might be screwed! I hate to break it to you cowboy, but the government that doesn't care about your information is Dalton McGuinty's Liberals. This is a provincial matter and this decision was made by a Liberal government. Same one that's been in power for the past nine years. So .... you were saying that you were upset? Edited May 17, 2012 by Craig_Ritchie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big guy Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 No big deal, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Ivan Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Maybe I'll get my license on time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I think it's about time that the US start staying out of our business. It seems I'm saying this more and more these days. They have totally messed up their country and have all the people in a hypnotic, fear-mongering state down there. Leave us alone and stay out of our politics. Some VERY disturbing things about their politics(corruption), messed up medical system and REALLY messed up finances there. We're smart Canucks to have no part in what they say or try to tell us what's good for us. That's my two cents. I just wanted to preserve this comment for the height of stupidity of the poster. I can't believe in this day and age of education that this horrific prejudice view is still present between these two great nations. I live down here and the statements he has made I find are not true and are founded on poor information and are not realistic in a global economy. I am sure the company that won the bid is taking the best care they can of the information and honoring the contract between Canada and the USA. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I just wanted to preserve this comment for the height of stupidity of the poster. I can't believe in this day and age of education that this horrific prejudice view is still present between these two great nations. I live down here and the statements he has made I find are not true and are founded on poor information and are not realistic in a global economy. I am sure the company that won the bid is taking the best care they can of the information and honoring the contract between Canada and the USA. Art Pass some vitamine water to the fella Art. He,ll chill out or pass out.LOL No issues here. Not like BB is going to get my info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman87 Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 This has to be one of the most dumb post I have ever seen..... FIRST it was your country that signed the contract with a PRIVATE firm in the U.S.A. to do your licensing for fishing and hunting....our government had nothing to do with it. Second we have the BEST Health Care in the World here.......If needed, I could get a MRI tomorrow.....I have heard the horror stories here with guys waiting 8 months to get a MRI only to have it cancelled for one reason or another....your own government officials come here for medical procedures....check on your Prime Ministor from Newfoundland..... ...he had heart surgery down here... And yes, Canada has the only honest politicians... You have a lovely country up there....but don't try to make it better by putting down Big Brother......we have enjoyed each other's countries for ever......but the way your making it out, you may want to invade us for our own good......not a good idea... Long live Canada and the United States of America...... Bob Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Pass some vitamine water to the fella Art. He,ll chill out or pass out.LOL No issues here. Not like BB is going to get my info. FIRST I would have you locked up within 24 hours........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 SECOND I would of pay more attention how to do multiple quotes when someone here told me how....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Billy, I have a seizure disorder. I get MRI's within 24 hours. I have had five in the last 10 years. Many ECG's, EEG's, and CAT's as well. And I don't pay a cent for them. (no need for Buffalo MRI - legal form of financial raping) It's all who you talk to, and who you hear stories from. I am only referring to what I have read here SEVERAL times by other veteran Canadian posters..... I have had MRI's in just a day or two when needed.......many don't know it here but I had some health problems here at the end of Nov and beginning of Dec....went to the doctor and he admitted me into the hospital from his doctor office......had SEVERAL test done that day and stayed the night.......see the doc again the following Thurs and was readmitted the next day for a procedure.......this is NORMAL here when it comes to our health care.....I wouldn't trade our health care with ANY other country in the WORLD.....PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I really enjoy self moderating threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Assuming you've got the cash. Sorry Bob, I couldn't resist. This is the BIGGEST bunch of BULL CRAP I have ever heard.....yes...I do have a co-pay.....$10 FRIGGIN DOLLARS to see ANY doctor I go to INCLUDING all my specialist....and NOTHING when I go into the hospital........what you are hearing is about the people that don't work...NEVER worked....don't want to work....and don't need to work because they are on government programs....they have been on government programs the whole lives....they are 3rd generation people that are on government programs that have never PAID ANY TAXES but want MORE AND MORE from us working folks......how would that work if EVERYONE did that...... SORRY..........again.....our health is second to none in the WORLD....NEVER heard about any of our government official going to Canada (not there is nothing wrong with Canada) to have a medical procedure......HOWEVER, Many other high profile people from all over the world come here for our health care....please explain that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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