ohhenrygsr Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Hi Guys and Gals, Can someone please clarify the rules for Walleye on Balsam Lake with a Seasonal License. Walleye & Sauger or any combination 2nd Sat. in May to Nov. 15 S - 4; must be between 35 - 50 cm (13.8 - 19.7 in.). C - 1; must be be Walleye S - 3 and C - 1, none between 37-55 cm (14.6-21.7 in.). Does this mean for Balsam i'm allowed to keep 3 between 13.8-14.6? and none between 14.6-21.7. But allowed over 21.7?? Edited April 18, 2011 by Henry Nguyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Balsam is one of the exceptions in zone 17, Henry. The part which applies to Balsam is just lower down on the same page. Walleye S - 3 and C - 1, none between 37-55 cm (14.6-21.7 in.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsman Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) with a Seasonal License. Henry I'll assume you meant Sport Fishing License. As for limits & sizes Roy is correct. In other words only 3 & they must be smaller than 37cm (14.6") or larger than 55cm (21.7") in any combination up to a total of 3. Edited April 18, 2011 by Woodsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Brown Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Like Roy has pointed out, the regulations for Balsam differ from the rest of the zone. The reason for this is that the slot limit on Balsam was implemented years ago and it is a study lake. The MNR has been monitoring the walleye population on Balsam and the results will be compared to the slot limit in the rest of Zone 17. Hopefully showing which slot limit and management tool is most effective for producing strong walleye populations in the Kawartha's for years to come. Nice to see active management of the resource in our area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Hi Guys and Gals, Can someone please clarify the rules for Walleye on Balsam Lake with a Seasonal License. Walleye & Sauger or any combination 2nd Sat. in May to Nov. 15 S - 4; must be between 35 - 50 cm (13.8 - 19.7 in.). C - 1; must be be Walleye S - 3 and C - 1, none between 37-55 cm (14.6-21.7 in.). Does this mean for Balsam i'm allowed to keep 3 between 13.8-14.6? and none between 14.6-21.7. But allowed over 21.7?? For Balsam only in zone 17 with a Sport fishing License: You can not keep any walleye between 14.6-21.7 inches. You can keep 4 but none between these measurements. And only one of those 4 fish can be over the size of 21.7 inches. So, you can keep 4 under 14.6, and you have to stop targeting walleye. If you have had caught and kept one over 21.7 then you can only keep 3 more under 14.6 inches and you have to stop targeting walleye. To be fair, I've caught walleyes on Balsam under a slot size of 14.6 inches and they had a body mass smaller then an 7'' inch perch, something to consider if you want to keep fish of that size from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Reading the reg. Walleye S-3 and C-1 none between 37-55 cm (14.6-21-7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBW Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 So, you can keep 4 under 14.6, and you have to stop targeting walleye. If you have had caught and kept one over 21.7 then you can only keep 3 more under 14.6 inches and you have to stop targeting walleye. To be fair, I've caught walleyes on Balsam under a slot size of 14.6 inches and they had a body mass smaller then an 7'' inch perch, something to consider if you want to keep fish of that size from there. you might want to read it again, the limit is 3. don't want to get in trouble now would we... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 You can keep 4 but none between these measurements. I hope you aren't keeping 4 fish in Balsam, if you are, you're breaking the law. If Balsam is in the exceptions, and the limit is different then the standard Zone 17 regs(3 compared to 4) those are the ones you need to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhenrygsr Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I hope you aren't keeping 4 fish in Balsam, if you are, you're breaking the law. If Balsam is in the exceptions, and the limit is different then the standard Zone 17 regs(3 compared to 4) those are the ones you need to go by. Thanks Guys, I was just getting confused between the 2. If there is an exception to the rule than go by that 10-4 Rubber Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhenrygsr Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 For Balsam only in zone 17 with a Sport fishing License: You can not keep any walleye between 14.6-21.7 inches. You can keep 4 but none between these measurements. And only one of those 4 fish can be over the size of 21.7 inches. So, you can keep 4 under 14.6, and you have to stop targeting walleye. If you have had caught and kept one over 21.7 then you can only keep 3 more under 14.6 inches and you have to stop targeting walleye. To be fair, I've caught walleyes on Balsam under a slot size of 14.6 inches and they had a body mass smaller then an 7'' inch perch, something to consider if you want to keep fish of that size from there. with the exception to Balsam you can only keep 3 with a Sport fishing license. Why do I have to stop targeting Walleye if i have my Limit? What if i caught one that was 14" and filled my limit continued to fish for walleye and catch a 14.1 i can't upgrade my catch and release the 14" i caught? I was just double checking for a friend as i too was confused with the exceptions. thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddyc20 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 with the exception to Balsam you can only keep 3 with a Sport fishing license. Why do I have to stop targeting Walleye if i have my Limit? What if i caught one that was 14" and filled my limit continued to fish for walleye and catch a 14.1 i can't upgrade my catch and release the 14" i caught? I was just double checking for a friend as i too was confused with the exceptions. thanks all In this case you would in possession of 4 walleye. The 3 in your livewell and the one you just caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 In this case you would in possession of 4 walleye. The 3 in your livewell and the one you just caught. He'd only be in possession of walleye #4 if it went into the livewell. Unhooking it and released it doesn't equal possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) BillM is correct --- The regs clearly state that unless a fish is immediately released it does not count toward your limit. So if you have your limit (be it 3 on Balsam, or 4 on another lake in Zone17), you may continue to fish so long as you are letting the fish go immediately. If you catch a fish after reaching the daily catch or possession limit for that species, the fish must be released immediately back to the water (see Ontario's Catch and Retain Rules, on page 9). If the limit is zero, anglers may practise catch and release only, and any fish caught must be released immediately back into the water in a manner that does not harm the fish. For some species there are no limits and no reference will be made to a limit in this summary (see Size Limits, page 8). That was pasted from HERE Edited April 19, 2011 by johnnyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 BillM is correct --- The regs clearly state that unless a fish is immediately released it does not count toward your limit. So if you have your limit (be it 3 on Balsam, or 4 on another lake in Zone17), you may continue to fish so long as you are letting the fish go immediately. Are you absolutely certain, Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Are you absolutely certain, Bill? Absolute certainty is up to the CO But that's how I read the regs. I think we've had a similar thread about muskie fishing on GBay with a conservation license. Edited April 19, 2011 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Re-read the first line of your paragragh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Re-read the first line of your paragragh. I've read it a few times. I think my definition of possession and yours are different (If that's what you're getting at, lol!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 No Bill, I'm having trouble with the word "unless" in that context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Sorry Bill...It's johnnyb's paragraph I'm referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Sorry Bill...It's johnnyb's paragraph I'm referring to. You had me confooosed too for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Roy is confusing everyone on purpose! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bacon Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 No Bill, I'm having trouble with the word "unless" in that context. I am fine with the word 'unless'; it is the word "not" that I have trouble with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I am fine with the word 'unless'; it is the word "not" that I have trouble with Well said, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike rousseau Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Immediate release is ok... If I'm walleye fishing and crack a smallie when they are out of season... And release it imidiatly... I wasn't "in possession" of an out of season fish... Also if you have your limit... You can still target a fish... How else would you cull in a tournament??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry2Rs Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I might have this wrong, but I thought you couldn't continue to target a species in hopes of upgrading a legal limit. That's why bass tournaments set their limit at one under the legal limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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