kickingfrog Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 You can get a 12 footer that weighs 50lbs and you can get a 16 footer that weighs less then 40lbs. Materials and technic are more important then length.
rufus Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 She doesn't want a 16 ft. Probably a 14 ft is as big as she will go.
scugpg Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Doing some research on small canoes and came across this thread. A question for those who say the Sportspal doesn't paddle well - How do you mean that? Do you referring to square stern models or all Sportspals? (Square stern canoes all have the same issue of not paddling well). The full transom model takes considerable effort to paddle, but doable. much nicer with a small electric or gas on there. The 14ft sportspal full transom can also hold a 3hp motor.
jedimaster Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Stable means a brick for paddling... weigh out your decision carefully. Just wear a lifejacket and go for speed.
woodenboater Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 So she's comfortable paddling solo then I take it. A short canoe is going to require some skills to keep tracking straight but will be a joy to paddle heeled over to the gunwale. Should be a few choices out there, depending on $$.
rufus Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 So she's comfortable paddling solo then I take it. A short canoe is going to require some skills to keep tracking straight but will be a joy to paddle heeled over to the gunwale. Should be a few choices out there, depending on $. Maybe a short Sportspal that paddles like a scow may not be a bad thing for her as it would be easier to keep straight.
kickingfrog Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Longer canoes generally are easier to keep straight, but if you don't know how to paddle then it is likely to make very little difference.
woodenboater Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 The J stroke is super easy to learn. I use that or an underwater recovery stroke to keep me going. The J can be learned,kinda, at a demo day I would think, if the people running it are smart. I'm a canoe snob so don't think sponsons are good for learning how to keep the open side up They have their uses though so won't discount that.
SirCranksalot Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Maybe a short Sportspal that paddles like a scow may not be a bad thing for her as it would be easier to keep straight. If she likes to paddle(as opposed to the OP who was looking for something stable to fish in IIRC) do not get a Sportspal. Find a place she can 'test drive' a good 14 footer. If she needs light, buy kevlar. It costs but it will give her a more usable and pleasurable canoe.
solopaddler Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Maybe a short Sportspal that paddles like a scow may not be a bad thing for her as it would be easier to keep straight. Unless she uses the oarlocks on the 12' Sportspal and rows it she'll be paddling in circles LOL! I do love the Sportspals though. They're a light, stable and surprisingly durable craft for hacking around in back lakes. I'd never consider paddling one on a canoe trip though.
Rod Caster Posted July 3, 2012 Report Posted July 3, 2012 Unless she uses the oarlocks on the 12' Sportspal and rows it she'll be paddling in circles LOL! I do love the Sportspals though. They're a light, stable and surprisingly durable craft for hacking around in back lakes. I'd never consider paddling one on a canoe trip though. I'm not putting makeup on a pig here, but the 14ft pointed isn't all that bad. My brother, who I consider the biggest canoe snob, owns a chestnut prospector (which I've used throughout my years) and even HE admitted that my sportspal isn't all that bad. Infact, when paddling in pairs, me and Sarah can actually keep up to him when he's got a partner. now if your paddling solo, STAY AWAY from sportspal, it's like paddling a bar of soap, especially in the wind. I put rocks at the front just to keep it semi-straight. Clearly I'm biased, as I own and love my sporty!
spinnerbaitking Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 I wouldn't want to have a short canoe in very rough water, 16' or 17' is the only way I would go, any of the people I saw on our trips in Sportspal's or Coleman's were paddling a tank & they noticed how much harder they had to paddle to try & keep up especially in the wind, any of the canoe rental shops sell off their inventor at the end of the year Tight Lines SBK
rufus Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Thanks everyone. She has agreed to look at a 14 ft Kevlar after I relayed your comments.
SirCranksalot Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Thanks everyone. She has agreed to look at a 14 ft Kevlar after I relayed your comments. Check out the Swift, Langford, and Novacraft websites. They all make good canoes.
Sinker Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 I had a very stable 17ft Old Town. Me and a buddy (who I trust with my life in a canoe) could stand and fish out of it no problem. We could put 4 dozen duck decoys, all our gear, guns, and a dog in it, and go anywhere. I loved that canoe. It was a great boat until someone decided they liked it more than me, and stole it! S.
solopaddler Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Thanks everyone. She has agreed to look at a 14 ft Kevlar after I relayed your comments. If you're anywhere near Atikokan call Canoe Canada Outfitters. From time to time they sell off their rental boats at a huge discount. I know for a fact that they recently had a couple of ultralight kevlar Swift Cruisers for sale for around $600. That's a design based on the time tested Sawyer Cruiser which was a staple for many many years. Brand new that boat is well over 3 grand.
doack Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 When you are talking Sportspal, are you talking the Radisson canoe, or the American made Sportspal. Aren't they the same thing?
solopaddler Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 When you are talking Sportspal, are you talking the Radisson canoe, or the American made Sportspal. Aren't they the same thing? The Sportspal is and always was made in North Bay Ontario. The American version is a knockoff.
craigdritchie Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Sportspal with a small electric clamped on the side of it is an outstanding fishing machine. Never even tried paddling one, nor would I want to.
doack Posted July 6, 2012 Report Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) The Sportspal is and always was made in North Bay Ontario. The American version is a knockoff. http://www.meyersboat.com/sportspal/ It shows here that sportspal is made in US, and I believe the Radisson is made in Canada. Not a pissing match, was just wondering if you guys are talking the sportspal from US or Radisson from Canada. Anyways, I could care less where its made, whats your thoughts on Radisson canoes, are they junk, or same thing with lighter gauge aluminum? Lots of conflicting information on google when you type in sportspal and radisson. Edited July 6, 2012 by doack
Rod Caster Posted July 6, 2012 Report Posted July 6, 2012 http://www.meyersboat.com/sportspal/ It shows here that sportspal is made in US, and I believe the Radisson is made in Canada. Not a pissing match, was just wondering if you guys are talking the sportspal from US or Radisson from Canada. Anyways, I could care less where its made, whats your thoughts on Radisson canoes, are they junk, or same thing with lighter gauge aluminum? Lots of conflicting information on google when you type in sportspal and radisson. www.bwmarineproducts.com Sportspal is made in Canada. (north bay) Radisson is made in Canada, and sold in US. Not sure about any US knockoffs or manufacturers, but the ones built in North Bay are good quality...not the best paddling canoe as has been discussed (i still raise my nose and say its good ) but a well built and easily repaired canoe.
doack Posted July 6, 2012 Report Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) www.bwmarineproducts.com Sportspal is made in Canada. (north bay) Radisson is made in Canada, and sold in US. Not sure about any US knockoffs or manufacturers, but the ones built in North Bay are good quality...not the best paddling canoe as has been discussed (i still raise my nose and say its good ) but a well built and easily repaired canoe. Thanks Rodcaster, is the Radisson made in same plant in North Bay, or is it a sister company somewhere else? And is it the same exact canoe, or is there a difference between Radisson and Sportspal? Edited July 6, 2012 by doack
Rod Caster Posted July 6, 2012 Report Posted July 6, 2012 Thanks Rodcaster, is the Radisson made in same plant in North Bay, or is it a sister company somewhere else? And is it the same exact canoe, or is there a difference between Radisson and Sportspal? Different sticker is all, from what I understand. The radisson guy is a white man like davey crocket, the sportspal guy is native. Yes they are made in the same plant. Great workers in a clean plant. I couldn't be more impressed with their work quality and service.
Jer Posted July 6, 2012 Report Posted July 6, 2012 My "sportspal like" canoe says Sportsmaster, Toronto. Who knows much about these? 1
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