Greencoachdog Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Does it really matter? Is the vertical hold tabu just propaganda contrived by MCI/P3TA??? Is there any hard scientific data that proves the horizontal hold is better? Why is it ok to hold a Bass vertically, but not an Esox??? Is it really better to turn an Esox in a big "U" shape by trying to hold it horizontally than it is to hold it vertically and straight in it's natural form? Does it really matter for the short time you'll actually be holding the fish for the picture? (usually less than a minute) What do you think?
Spiel Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Well Dawg, I have no experience in musky but I do know with large salmon you can literally hear the vertebrae seperating (pop, pop) when hoisted vertically.
big guy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Well Dawg, I have no experience in musky but I do know with large salmon you can literally hear the vertebrae seperating (pop, pop) when hoisted vertically. Separating, or just nitrogen bubbles popping? You know, the same sound you hear when the chiropractor cracks your back, or when you crack your knuckles.
Greencoachdog Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Posted June 4, 2009 Well Dawg, I have no experience in musky but I do know with large salmon you can literally hear the vertebrae seperating (pop, pop) when hoisted vertically. Maybe that's like a chiropractor adjustment and actually feels good to them? Maybe their vertebrae are just popping back into place from when you sling-shotted him into next week when he struck your trolled lure?
Greencoachdog Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Posted June 4, 2009 Separating, or just nitrogen bubbles popping? You know, the same sound you hear when the chiropractor cracks your back, or when you crack your knuckles. JINX!!!
Whitespinnerbait Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Maybe their vertebrae are just popping back into place from when you sling-shotted him into next week when he struck your trolled lure?
Spiel Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Separating, or just nitrogen bubbles popping? You know, the same sound you hear when the chiropractor cracks your back, or when you crack your knuckles. Maybe that's like a chiropractor adjustment and actually feels good to them? Maybe their vertebrae are just popping back into place from when you sling-shotted him into next week when he struck your trolled lure? I hadn't considered that, certainly possible.
Billy Bob Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I have found using two hands while holding the fish horizontal and carefully lowering into the hot oil will reduce splatter........
holdfast Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 If you don't like slime, Grab the Jack by the eyes then take a picture and send it to P3TA. Daddy always told me it doesn't hurt the Pike. Then again hes the guy that told me Horse Radish came from the Horses ears.
Roy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Funny dude Holdie. My gramma always tole me that balogna (ok ballony) was sliced elephant leg.
4thgen Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I've always wondered how all the "horizontal hold" advocates unhook their fish. I usually fish alone from shore for pike and I don't see how it is possible to unhook them without holding them vertically (aside from throwing them on the ground which is likely worse). I realize that it is better for the fish to be held horizontally but I don't see how you can unhook them. So the question to those who jump on everyone for vertical holds is: How are you unhooking your fish? or are you just a bunch of hypocrits?
bigugli Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Funny dude Holdie. My gramma always tole me that balogna (ok ballony) was sliced elephant leg. Actually it's donkey meat. Same with mortadella. OR so my Ex's Italian father used to tell me
Raf Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) I've always wondered how all the "horizontal hold" advocates unhook their fish. not sure what is the difficulty in understanding. fish doesn't leave the water & stays in the net, is unhooked with pliers or hook cutters (if needed) or if it's a dink, doesn't even come in the net and gets unbuttoned boatside. unhook pissed off muskie Edited June 4, 2009 by Raf
Beans Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I read that holding a bass by the lower jaw in a vertical hold can sometimes break their jaw !!!
John Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I've always wondered how all the "horizontal hold" advocates unhook their fish. I usually fish alone from shore for pike and I don't see how it is possible to unhook them without holding them vertically (aside from throwing them on the ground which is likely worse). I realize that it is better for the fish to be held horizontally but I don't see how you can unhook them. So the question to those who jump on everyone for vertical holds is: How are you unhooking your fish? or are you just a bunch of hypocrits? Ever thought of a fish friendly landing net, leaving the fish in the water and removing the hooks with a pair of long offset needlenose? That way the water supports the fish. Works from shore even better than on a boat. By the way, it's hypocrites.
Greencoachdog Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Posted June 4, 2009 I read that holding a bass by the lower jaw in a vertical hold can sometimes break their jaw !!! Have you ever seen of the Bass fishing shows where they hold the fish by the lower lip and then turn it up into a horizontal position so the mouth pops open while they pose for the camera with it? If that doesn't break the fishes jaw, nothing will!
Greencoachdog Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Posted June 4, 2009 By the way, it's hypocrites. Yesterday I couldn't even spell hypocrite... and now today I are one!!!
Roy Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Actually it's donkey meat. Same with mortadella. OR so my Ex's Italian father used to tell me You gotta get the more expensive square kind...the kind that doesn't roll off the table.
ChrisK Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Any way you want.....thats how, unless of course your going to release it.....Use great care if releasing fish when possible. Try to avoid holding fish vertically and if you must place a hand mid body to cradle the fish...Tired,stressed fish are even more susceptible to handling and must be resuscitated at boat side or in a live well before release.... Cheers !!
Toronto_Angler Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I have an idea why don't we all just not fish? That way we wont worry about catching anything out of season, wont worry about vertical hold, won't worry about catch and release, wont worry about people with fishing licences, wont worry about people finding our spots.....Maybe I should just stick to fishing video games.
mepps Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 I heard if you release a fish upside down it will swim around like that for days before it gets itself sorted out...
Zubris21 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Great question GCD, still waiting for the scientific data you asked for...
Whopper Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 Ah Raf the voice of reason Dawg you making chili today I see
Guest ThisPlaceSucks Posted June 4, 2009 Report Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) gravity is a fish's enemy i would think. think of a watery environment as opposed to being in the air. think of how light large objects feel under water. then think of the strain that puts on his anterior vertebrae when 7/8th's of it's length is hanging below its head. and then think of it's small heart trying to pump bloood against gravity towards his head... i don't think it's hard to figure out. that said, i do the vert hold sometimes without even thinking about it. Edited June 4, 2009 by Dr. Salvelinus
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