I will never buy another ford product again

[holdfast]

My family always had fords, Taurus, escorts, windstars, contour, mystique so on, and never had any major problems. Darn, I sold my 1992 escort with 350,000km all original, and the new owner still has it.

 

Treat them nice and they will be nice to you.

 

Just my 2c

Daniel

 

Remember the escort is basically a Mazda Protege. Because the Escort worked well, they discontinued it, Ford deserves their losses

[keram]

I will never buy another ford product again

I won't either..... never did

[Fisherman]

If they don't pay attention pretty soon, they won't have to worry about building anything but wheelbarrows. That pretty much goes for the other two also, they just keep adding more power instead of miles per gallon, hey if they're too stoopid, let the foreigners teach them how. http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/2407200...arter-loss.html

[aniceguy]

some really lousy stories here.

Fusion Email sent

 

Ok so the deal is this

I called customer care at Ford today also took it to the Dealer as per fords customer care advise.

All day car is in the dealer an 109 diagnositc charge was applied regardless of what the heck I did or didnt do.

 

After a lengthy talk with the service advisor/ then the actual service manager, then the dealerships general manager I was told Im 4 years into a 5 year warranty Im exactly 4050km over the 100k warranty and that the dealer is not prepared to do a single thing....ford customer care or more aptly the senior manager at ford canada has said he will look into the matter to give him a week or 2 and that generally ford's policy is not to repair cars outside of the warranty unless there is or was a recall on it.

 

Long and short F em....the ford is getting fixed and sold and I will NEVER dirve one again

 

conincedently I asked that my ford employee PIN number be erased and that this will go right to the ombudsman for resolution

[danc]

Ford is definitely not getting any business from me. My '96 F-150 4x4 runs like as top and had only needed routine service. Brakes and such. I tow a heavy boat behind it year after year. No problems. I honestly expect to get another 5 years out of her, at least.

[Greencoachdog]

FIX OR REPAIR DAILY

 

First

On

Race

Day!!!

[jace]

And customer service for Japanese vehicles is top notch! And the dealerships don't take you to the cleaners every time!

 

The only advantage the American cars HAD, were that they used to be cheaper and so were the parts, and they were easier to fix. And the American trucks had more umph!After a few modifications, the Japanese cars and trucks, out perform in every way.

 

 

This is it exactly. what used to be with imports, used to be -- the past is the past. I'd like to see the american makers do well but the fact is the imports are crushing them in every market niche and they're taking over a new one every year.

 

first the came and took over the inexpensive small cars. then the small trucks, then the small closed in trucks (pathfinder, 4runner ranger2, bronco2), then the family minivans (odessy, sierra ), and then it was the full size pickups and SUV's with the Tundra, Sequoia, etc. And now they don't even wait for a model style to become successful and release things around the same time like the ridgeline which couldn't be more direct competition for the avalanche, cadillac EXT just as the highlander and crv are here to do some damage to the jeep liberty and similar vehicles. it's just about game over for the north american makers.

[didoban]

04 FX4 never again!

[Lowe Rider]

I have owned several Fords and GM Trucks and cars. Last year I purchased a Japanese designed Toyota Tundra and it's head and shoulders above ANYTHING I have previously owned. I am speaking from experience, this is one solid truck. It has all the power you want and it's stopping power is AMAZING with the front calibers having FOUR pistons on each side not to mention 14" calipers. Last week I went to to Ivanhoe Lake near Timmins and even with stop and go traffic on the QEW and 35 minutes to get through customs on the Rainbow bridge I averaged 19.39 mpg. Towing with this truck seems like the boat is not back there on acceleration and stopping. No more Detroit designed vehicles for me.

Here's my work truck / tow vehicle.

 

My old company bought two trucks identical to the one in the picture. 5.9l motors that were pigs on gas, I was glad to have the company Petro card.

Empty it stops on a dime but I towed the same bobcat in the picture on a tandem trailer simular to this one off and on for six months and have never been so scared in my life towing something. Having to load the trailer with barely any hitch weight because the rear axle can't hold more than a case of pop in the back, must have had something to do with it. The ad on tv for these trucks showing them coming to a hard stop with a big load is a joke, thank you Jenson trailers for the great trailer brakes. It felt like the load was in control of the truck. I asked to get one of the old Ford or Chevy's back.

 

Solid, I don't think so. Pray no one ever backs into you on a construction site because the front end sheet metal is no stronger the that Coke can you had at lunch, new front bumper cover and fender over three grand. The guy with the domestic wasn't backing up fast and just scratched the back bumper of his truck. No one that witnessed it could believe the amount of damage it caused, it should have just scratched the bumper.

 

The blind spots are bad, then you add a ladder rack and bed tool box to it, forget it.

 

It sucks to have to ask the passenger to change the station on the radio because someone thought it was a great idea to put it out of easy reach of the driver but they are "The greatest trucks ever built" according to some. They would make a weekend warrior a nice truck I guess but for any serious work I would stick to any of the big three. That's why the boss gave them to the project manager and a foreman. They didn't "work" but they looked good at site meetings all washed up with the company name down the side. LOL

 

I'm glad you are having a better experience than we did with your Toyota than we had with both of ours, maybe they were Monday morning trucks.

 

I was going to get one until I had six months driving around in one of these suckers. Buy the way Toyota dealers are the best , they fix everything no questions asked.

[Moosebunk]

Vehicles suck.

 

Anyway... ( I just closed the other site I was at but it was a govmnt site and I just googled "gas mileage trucks") I was just looking at the gas mileage for the big trucks of 2008. The site listed city and hwy numbers. (averages I guess) The scores for 4wd in and around the 1500 class showed from best to worst (and I thought this surprising)

 

1. Silverado

2. Sierra

3. Tundra ties F150

4. Ram

5. Mazda B4000

6. Nissan Titan

 

My buddy told me his Titan was a real pig on gas. Guess he wasn't kidding.

[duckdog]

I just sold my lx with 361,000kms on it and it still ran like new no major repairs and I used it off road quite a bit for fishing lol my now 97 ranger has 260,000 and other then some minor rust spots purrs like a kitten never lets me down and hauls my 18month son around with me no prob, I also have a 2006 santa fe that they brakes have bin done with less then 24,000 and now has two rust spots, long story short in my opinion they all have ups and downs I have always bin a ford and dodge guy and never had any issues with dealers or vehicles

[mattyk]

I had a mercury a few years back and it lasted 4 years and less than 99,000 kms before it totally fell apart. My dad has had several GM's that fall apart after 4 years or 100,000 kms. I bought a honda accord after that and it lasted me 7 years and 280,000km and never had it in the repair shop. I will be only purchasing a Japanese cars.

Edited July 25, 2008 by Mattk

[TroutnMuskieHunter]

I'm on my 3rd Ford pickup....had a Ranger, then 2000 F-1504x4, and now the "lemon" 2004 F-1504x4...I used to really praise Ford but I now have to question their quality...

 

Around the 10,000Km mark I started hearing a whistling sound....took it in for a check and Ford had to replace the pinion bearing in the rear differential....

 

Last year (June 2007) I noticed that the steering was a little stiff and I got worried seeing how we were heading up to Iron Bridge for a week long fishing trip...the truck only had 48,000kms but the 3 year warranty period had expired by 2 months..I took it back to the dealer and after an hour of being looked at I was advised that the ball joints were shot, the tie rods were shot and that the lower and upper bearings in the steering shaft needed to be replaced ......needless to say I FREAKED OUT Thank God I deal with a small town dealership and that I took my truck there for all the main service checks...The owner of the dealership authorized a "goodwill" warranty so instead of paying $2000 in repairs, I paid the $100 deductible for that warranty

 

I talked to the service manager and asked what was up with the premature wear and tear on the front end parts....his reply was "Ford has many of their parts MADE IN CHINA"....that was all that I needed to know!!

[splashhopper]

I think that whether we drive Ford, GM, Chrysler, or even up until recent years imports, some of us can relate similar stories.

 

Yep... keep on buying these particular makes and they go to crap in a handbasket right at warranty time..

 

Example in my purchases:

My 2001 Dodge Dakota:

Tranny slipped.. rebuild.. no warranty

alternator went

power steering went

front end shot at 100k

water pump dropped out

 

my Dad's 199 Windstar

head gaskets blow-- total rebuild to top of motor

tranny slips .. rebuild

electrical proba up the yin yang

 

 

I share this story because i needed these vehicles for the kind of work that i do.

 

I have been buying Honda's since 1988 and have NEVER had a single major component go on one of them.

The usuall brakes and consumabbles( tires / exhausts / oil etc) due to the high mileage i put on vehicles, but not one major component!

 

 

and yeah i know what all the union CAW guys are gonna cry..

 

 

Well let me be the first to say... build a car/van/pickup that can stands up to the demands of 30-60 k a year and not need major "warranty" work within three years and i will give another new one a try again.

 

As for now,, i hedge my bets for my business needs and bought another USED Caravan from my mechanic that already has the tranny rebuilt and motor done.( it was his wifes vehicle since new amd they are friends of mine)

I bought it used since the North American auto manufacturers are building throw away b\vehicles and expecting "keeper" clients.

Yep, they kept me for my work horses, but they are not getting the profits of a new vehicle sale from me again.

 

I will post another link to a site about auto beefs !

Edited July 25, 2008 by splashhopper

[doubleheader]

Okay, above, in the first reply to this post I said I'd never buy another Ford. I won't, but not because of quality, because of the way Ford tries to rip people off. Here's how I became a Honda owner. Started off with an outboard I bought in 1997. Around 2001 the flywheel came apart, a couple years out of warranty. Honda covered the parts and labor 100%. Around a year later the paint on the cowling started to peel. Honda covered it 100%. My wife bought an Accord in 1998, put 100K miles on it and never bought anything but tires and brakes, not rotors, just brakes. I bought a Pilot in 2004, after 3 years with zero problems I decided I wanted to trade it for a Ridgeline. After Dealer incentives and rebates, Honda gave me $26,000 trade-in (paid 31K new) on the Pilot that had 47K miles. My wife now drives a Civic around 70 miles round- trip to work each day. She has 60K on the Civic, no issues, gets 38 mpg except in the winter. Although current outboard is a Mercury Verado I even own a Honda mower. Honda makes great products and stands behind them. They understand that it's far more easy to retain customers than find new ones. As a result they establish business policies that align with that objective.

[splashhopper]

Okay, above, in the first reply to this post I said I'd never buy another Ford. I won't, but not because of quality, because of the way Ford tries to rip people off. Here's how I became a Honda owner. Started off with an outboard I bought in 1997. Around 2001 the flywheel came apart, a couple years out of warranty. Honda covered the parts and labor 100%. Around a year later the paint on the cowling started to peel. Honda covered it 100%. My wife bought an Accord in 1998, put 100K miles on it and never bought anything but tires and brakes, not rotors, just brakes. I bought a Pilot in 2004, after 3 years with zero problems I decided I wanted to trade it for a Ridgeline. After Dealer incentives and rebates, Honda gave me $26,000 trade-in (paid 31K new) on the Pilot that had 47K miles. My wife now drives a Civic around 70 miles round- trip to work each day. She has 60K on the Civic, no issues, gets 38 mpg except in the winter. Although current outboard is a Mercury Verado I even own a Honda mower. Honda makes great products and stands behind them. They understand that it's far more easy to retain customers than find new ones. As a result they establish business policies that align with that objective.

 

Well said,,, are u a diplomat too? lol

[holdfast]

My 99 Ford Ranger with 90,000n Kms is now leaking oil. Been in the shop 3 times because of the check engine light, even had to change the chip that runs the check engine warning., besides brakes and rotors, changed the alternator, the Radiator. My Honda Civic at 240,000 nothing but the usual Maint fees.

[Billy Bob]

My old company bought two trucks identical to the one in the picture. 5.9l motors that were pigs on gas, I was glad to have the company Petro card.

Empty it stops on a dime but I towed the same bobcat in the picture on a tandem trailer simular to this one off and on for six months and have never been so scared in my life towing something. Having to load the trailer with barely any hitch weight because the rear axle can't hold more than a case of pop in the back, must have had something to do with it. The ad on tv for these trucks showing them coming to a hard stop with a big load is a joke, thank you Jenson trailers for the great trailer brakes. It felt like the load was in control of the truck. I asked to get one of the old Ford or Chevy's back.

 

Solid, I don't think so. Pray no one ever backs into you on a construction site because the front end sheet metal is no stronger the that Coke can you had at lunch, new front bumper cover and fender over three grand. The guy with the domestic wasn't backing up fast and just scratched the back bumper of his truck. No one that witnessed it could believe the amount of damage it caused, it should have just scratched the bumper.

 

The blind spots are bad, then you add a ladder rack and bed tool box to it, forget it.

 

It sucks to have to ask the passenger to change the station on the radio because someone thought it was a great idea to put it out of easy reach of the driver but they are "The greatest trucks ever built" according to some. They would make a weekend warrior a nice truck I guess but for any serious work I would stick to any of the big three. That's why the boss gave them to the project manager and a foreman. They didn't "work" but they looked good at site meetings all washed up with the company name down the side. LOL

 

I'm glad you are having a better experience than we did with your Toyota than we had with both of ours, maybe they were Monday morning trucks.

 

I was going to get one until I had six months driving around in one of these suckers. Buy the way Toyota dealers are the best , they fix everything no questions asked.

 

WOW, for supposedly knowing so much about the Tundra you don't even have the engine correct. Toyota doesn't make a 5.9 L engine

 

Park your truck and let me back into the front fender with my rear bumper and lets see the same damage occur. ALL vehicles are made with thin sheet metal to hold down cost and weight.

 

I have a friend that will ONLY purchase American made articles if possible. He found in his trade magazine (he's a calibration technician) a article about the Toyota Tundra's commercials. The bottom line of the article was they checked up on the Tundra's commercials and they were indeed all true, no smoke and mirrors. I moved 4 cords of wood for him in the Tundra and after that he recommended the truck to his brother. However, his brother did not purchase one because as Pete says he is cheap and is still driving his clunker around with the fenders and bumpers just about dragging down the street.

 

(I will try to find the magazine in the future to post)

 

Bottom line for me is, I will NEVER purchase another Ford or GM truck. I can't give my opinion on Dodge trucks since I have never owned one. I did have several of their cars in the 70's and nothing but bad luck with them. Purchase whatever you like but I will no longer support Bankrupt Motors or the Ford Motor Co.

 

Bob

[fishinggeek]

Ironically, I read in the news Ford had a huge loss this past quarter. Said they are too heavily invested in trucks and SUV, which consumers don't want right now. I was also watching a show saying that it's just not cool anymore to have an American vehicle in the urban areas. People are saying they wouldn't be "caught dead" in an American model.

[outllaw]

i for one have owned toyotas, volvos, dodges in k cars to ram diesels. i presently drive a jeep liberty. . hands down i would drive a americam made product hands down. . i feel safer, and employ folks in north america. yep you got it. , i do not support offshore products. I AM CANADIAN.

[BillM]

i for one have owned toyotas, volvos, dodges in k cars to ram diesels. i presently drive a jeep liberty. . hands down i would drive a americam made product hands down. . i feel safer, and employ folks in north america. yep you got it. , i do not support offshore products. I AM CANADIAN.

 

 

You have no idea how many 'offshore products' you buy on a daily basis.. I am sure %70 of that Jeep Liberty is made up of products that have been imported into the US..

[Tdel]

Outlaw,

Why would you not buy a Canadian made vehicle?

I own a Toyota and I did!

 

Tom

[POLLIWOGG]

I hope to get a few more years out of the 86 f250 but plowing snow is hard on it.

 

I won't drive the 69 till I get the torn seat fixed but it should be good for another 20 years.

 

If ford had put rotary valve heads on the small block they could have left them all behind.

 

Right now is the time to buy if your looking for an off lease truck, lots of them going through the auction and some big dealers are dumping their inventory at a loss. 4x4 are cheaper than 2 wheel drive.

[aplumma]

You can buy what you want just get the vehicle that does the job you ask it too. If the majority of the time you are driving it to work alone then get a commuter car. If you tow alot then get a truck. If you have the money get both then you wont have to worry about spending to much for gas or burning out the drivetrain of ANY brand of vehicle. I have owned them all and currenly I tow with a Titian. Work out of a Freightliner, commute in the winter in a Ford Escape and commute in the summer with a soon to be delivered Mini Cooper. Car are like tools use the right one for the job at hand.

 

Art

[Lowe Rider]

WOW, for supposedly knowing so much about the Tundra you don't even have the engine correct. Toyota doesn't make a 5.9 L engine

 

Park your truck and let me back into the front fender with my rear bumper and lets see the same damage occur. ALL vehicles are made with thin sheet metal to hold down cost and weight.

 

I have a friend that will ONLY purchase American made articles if possible. He found in his trade magazine (he's a calibration technician) a article about the Toyota Tundra's commercials. The bottom line of the article was they checked up on the Tundra's commercials and they were indeed all true, no smoke and mirrors. I moved 4 cords of wood for him in the Tundra and after that he recommended the truck to his brother. However, his brother did not purchase one because as Pete says he is cheap and is still driving his clunker around with the fenders and bumpers just about dragging down the street.

 

(I will try to find the magazine in the future to post)

 

Bottom line for me is, I will NEVER purchase another Ford or GM truck. I can't give my opinion on Dodge trucks since I have never owned one. I did have several of their cars in the 70's and nothing but bad luck with them. Purchase whatever you like but I will no longer support Bankrupt Motors or the Ford Motor Co.

 

Bob

 

Your wright Bob it's a 5.7l but I could swear it had a 5.9l badge on it. Better get the eyes checked LOL.

 

Never said I was an expert just telling you our experiences with the two we had. I do believe I said I am glad you are having better luck with yours. The damage was from the Toyota's bumper because it folded too easy in my opinion and looking at it compared to other bumpers it looks pretty thin. Just an observation not cold hard facts. I will stand behind the towing comments I made earlier, I've towed with all four makes and out of the four I did not like the Toyota at all, just a seat of the pants thing, again no hard facts just a feeling. My 05 Chevy is a crappy tow vehicle compared to my 95 GMC but there is no comparison in the gas mileage. So I tow with the 05.

 

The one thing I noticed is Toyota stands behind there product because the times they went for warrenty work it was no questions asked and do you need a replacement? Comparing that to the GM pulling teeth way of dealing with customers I have lived through lately, it's no wonder people are looking elsewhere.