Is fishing trout beads essentially flossing/snagging?

[Rich]

Why are you leaving hooks in 90% of your released fish? I think steelhead are the one fish where I never hook them deep in the mouth, regardless of what I'm fishing with (singles, normal bags, big bombers, jigs, whatever).

Steelhead same here, but i've had 4 little stinker browns suck my roe bags right down this fall. One last thursday, was so bad i had to eat him, and he puked up 3 monster roe bags on the way home!

[Garnet]

Single eggs are terrible for hooking trout deep. So bad I stopped using them 30 years ago. Fish with a guy that single eggs often about 80% deep hooked.

 

They real pt. is you are almost never hooking fish with a bead outside the mouth. If the hook is outside the mouth 1-2 inches you just miss the fish.

[Rustic-Fisher]

Hit a bunch of 2-3 lbs bows drifting XL beads for a few hours today , couldn't find the big guys. All fair hooked.

And no doubt they we're smashing the beads .

 

Now using beads with a fly rod...........LOL

Edited October 14, 2013 by RyanMc

[misfish]

All that rain spooked me off Ry.

 

Made the wrong move.LOL

 

nIce.

[FloatnFly]

beads on a fly rod??? why not an egg fly

[misfish]

beads on a fly rod??? why not an egg fly

 

 

 

LOL I bought some last year and tried them this fall. Guess what? All the eggs were gone. Maybe I bought from a bad person that couldnt tie right. Or I was throwing to hard.

 

I was pissed.

[Rustic-Fisher]

 

beads on a fly rod??? why not an egg fly

What's difference ? They both represent single eggs.

Lol, this is a whole other thread .

[FloatnFly]

 

 

 

LOL I bought some last year and tried them this fall. Guess what? All the eggs were gone. Maybe I bought from a bad person that couldnt tie right. Or I was throwing to hard.

 

I was pissed.

 

 

haha yea...i use superglue on mine

[Rich]

Unless you actually watched the trout come out and attack the egg, you know nothing of how it got in his mouth.

[Rustic-Fisher]

Unless you actually watched the trout come out and attack the egg, you know nothing of how it got in his mouth.

Unless you actually watched the trout come out and attack the egg, you know nothing of how it got in his mouth.

Guess the same can be said for any bait presentation .

 

 

Unless you actually watched the trout come out and attack the egg, you know nothing of how it got in his mouth.

Your right, though I guess that could be said about any fish hooked on any lure or bait presentation in flowing water.

[Djeep]

as someone who fishes the tribs occasionally without much guidance from experienced anglers, i wonder what the proper leader length is to avoid flossing? originally i heard 1.5x the depth of water but have also heard that if drifting properly only 1x the water depth is needed.

 

basically i fly fish with single eggs and this accounts for the majority of my hookups. id hate to think these are all lined fish

 

on a side note, i have witnessed small chromers aggressively pursue and take drifting single egg but only once

[Garnet]

My goal is to have the bead in the trouts throat and the hook still in there mouth. So I set the hook and catch the fish on the inside of the mouth. Most of the eastern tribs we are dealing with 8-10lb trout and likely 3.5-4 inch would be max.

 

And the sweet spot to hook a fish outside mouth is very narrow. The hook would need to just in the perfect spot. And if you go to long you just miss the miss.

 

If you are consistently hooking fish on the outside of the mouth you need to adjust.

[davey buoy]

That's exactly what I'm working with.Hooked one early afternoon,caught him on the outside of the corner of the mouth.Not what I'm looking for,but more experimenting is needed on my part.The hook was only 2" below the bead.Still learning.Will close that up a tad.Released for another day.

[BillM]

I run my hooks maybe an inch, inch and a half from the hook. Haven't hooked one on the outside of the mouth yet. I also don't let them swallow it.. If the float quivers or dips, I'll set the hook. If I miss them, I miss them.

[FloatnFly]

generally speaking, trout have a narrow mouth, like 3-4 inches across, so running your bead 2 inches or more above the hook will put your hook outside the mouth

[Garnet]

So like everything in fishing no hard fast rules. You need to adjust.

 

Would really like to read MNR opinion on weather this is legal setup or not.

[FloatnFly]

it is a legal setup but discretion is on the CO, if they feel your bead is too high you could get a warning or fined for using an unbaited hook

[BillM]

it is a legal setup but discretion is on the CO, if they feel your bead is too high you could get a warning or fined for using an unbaited hook

 

I'm good with this. There's no reason to have that hook 4 inches from your bead.

[Ralph Field]

as someone who fishes the tribs occasionally without much guidance from experienced anglers, i wonder what the proper leader length is to avoid flossing? originally i heard 1.5x the depth of water but have also heard that if drifting properly only 1x the water depth is needed.

 

basically i fly fish with single eggs and this accounts for the majority of my hookups. id hate to think these are all lined fish

 

on a side note, i have witnessed small chromers aggressively pursue and take drifting single egg but only once

I think you are referring to the length of line below a float. Most anglers I know run a leader between 18" and at most 30".

[davey buoy]

I think you are referring to the length of line below a float. Most anglers I know run a leader between 18" and at most 30".

From what I've learned here a 12-18" leader is way more than enough.It worked yesterday.Just have to lower my bead to 1.5 "from the hook and give it a go.Maybe 1"?.Interesting debate .

Edited October 16, 2013 by davey buoy

[Rich]

There is guys here running tiny trebles 4" below their bead, I guess thats why I am bias on this. I haven't run into anyone doing it "properly", though i havent seen a salmon come out of the creek that wasn't back hooked for about a week now either. Lol guess I can come around to this bead thing. Makes sense if the hook is within mouth distance.. i guess.

[davey buoy]

There is guys here running tiny trebles 4" below their bead, I guess thats why I am bias on this. I haven't run into anyone doing it "properly", though i havent seen a salmon come out of the creek that wasn't back hooked for about a week now either. Lol guess I can come around to this bead thing. Makes sense if the hook is within mouth distance.. i guess.

Thinking if put on right Rich,has to be a lot better for the fish.

[Garnet]

Trebles I don't think so.

 

You miss a lot of fish with beads so it's like a last resort thing with me.

 

Lot's of guys view beads as the end of roe fishing,over time your hook up of 60% is to low for me.

[FloatnFly]

There is guys here running tiny trebles 4" below their bead, I guess thats why I am bias on this. I haven't run into anyone doing it "properly", though i havent seen a salmon come out of the creek that wasn't back hooked for about a week now either. Lol guess I can come around to this bead thing. Makes sense if the hook is within mouth distance.. i guess.

 

 

if it makes you feel better, you don't have to use a bare hook, i tend to use a maggot/wax worm or small piece of nightcrawler

[DRIFTER_016]

 

 

if it makes you feel better, you don't have to use a bare hook, i tend to use a maggot/wax worm or small piece of nightcrawler

 

You can also use a fly in place of the bare hook.