hirk Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Fish what comp. psi? Do you realize you could grenade it, unless the comp. was just bumped up alittle its russian roulete running regular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfisherman Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Lol drinking water from a prestone jug.....nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Outboard mechanic told me last year....as I was forking over a wad of cash for carb repairs, never, ever put any gas in the boat's fuel tank that contains ethanal! He also has no faith in additives that are supposed to solve the ethal issues as they just soak up the moisture and over time if you don't run your tank dry and keep topping it up the water accumulates as it's still there, all absorbed by the conditioner/additive and you'll still end up with problems. My motor was proof of that. He said to only use Shell premium. All the others are OK for your car since you drive it daily but a boat can sit for days or weeks at a time without being ran and the condensation build up creates havoc! I ran the top Shell gas until I sold it this spring. You don't believe it! Go ahead and keep running the cheap crap in your boat and expect to pay the shop in the end! Pay a buck or so more per tank and you may prevent a washed out fishing trip and then have to pay more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Outboard mechanic told me last year....as I was forking over a wad of cash for carb repairs, never, ever put any gas in the boat's fuel tank that contains ethanal! He also has no faith in additives that are supposed to solve the ethal issues as they just soak up the moisture and over time if you don't run your tank dry and keep topping it up the water accumulates as it's still there, all absorbed by the conditioner/additive and you'll still end up with problems. My motor was proof of that. He said to only use Shell premium. All the others are OK for your car since you drive it daily but a boat can sit for days or weeks at a time without being ran and the condensation build up creates havoc! I ran the top Shell gas until I sold it this spring. You don't believe it! Go ahead and keep running the cheap crap in your boat and expect to pay the shop in the end! Pay a buck or so more per tank and you may prevent a washed out fishing trip and then have to pay more later. 15 years with the cheap gas..when can I expect the gas related problems your talking about, so I can prepare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 15 years with the cheap gas..when can I expect the gas related problems your talking about, so I can prepare 15 years ago I ran the cheap stuff too. Don't worry, your time will come. Preventative maintenance is always cheaper than repairs. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I wouldn't mind finding a local station that's got regular without ethanol. I don't want to think about the $$$ to repair that Yamaha 115. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Isn't it law that they have to post the ethanol levels in the gas at the pump ??? A few stations don't even have the percentage on them the last week or so since this thread started I have been looking at different stations and there seems to be more that are not posted than what are ??? What gives can we find a list of what stations have what lets post it so we all know ??? Same here I have 2 outboards and 2 sleds also snowblower and weed eater and a generator !!!! I end up throwing gas out cause I'm so paranoid about the crappy gas and I use seafoam in everything it pisses me off big time gas is just so crappy now it's not even real anymore !!!!!grrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 15 years with the cheap gas..when can I expect the gas related problems your talking about, so I can prepare 21 years here, so it should start acting up any second now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Oh ya and I do try and always run the premium if not just for the fact it doesn't have crappy ethanol in it garbage..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 15 years with the cheap gas..when can I expect the gas related problems your talking about, so I can prepare Well Terry, I'll put it this way. The motor was a 2005, 25hp 2 stroke Johnson I bought brand new. I didn't use it daily or sometimes not even weekly. I ran the brand name Evinrude fuel conditioner/stabilizer (smells like crap!) in it always after I read several topics here in regards to ethanol and the trouble it causes with boat motors. I thought I was safe and doing the right thing, even the marina I bought it at told me this. After I started to have problems and couldn't get it into the shop where I purchased it at I ended up taking it to a repair shop in Ancaster. It cost me about $400 in the end last fall to get it straightened out . I sold it this spring due to other reasons. Maybe you have been lucky with your outboard or manage to run it more frequently than I, but I learned my lesson the wallet hurting way. I have to say it wasn't much fun having motor trouble out in the middle of Hamilton Harbour but it could have been in a place much more remote or in bad weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 21 years here, so it should start acting up any second now. You don't have that corn gas up there though, do you? S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Well Terry, I'll put it this way. The motor was a 2005, 25hp 2 stroke Johnson I bought brand new. I didn't use it daily or sometimes not even weekly. I ran the brand name Evinrude fuel conditioner/stabilizer (smells like crap!) in it always after I read several topics here in regards to ethanol and the trouble it causes with boat motors. I thought I was safe and doing the right thing, even the marina I bought it at told me this. After I started to have problems and couldn't get it into the shop where I purchased it at I ended up taking it to a repair shop in Ancaster. It cost me about $400 in the end last fall to get it straightened out . I sold it this spring due to other reasons. Maybe you have been lucky with your outboard or manage to run it more frequently than I, but I learned my lesson the wallet hurting way. I have to say it wasn't much fun having motor trouble out in the middle of Hamilton Harbour but it could have been in a place much more remote or in bad weather. do you have the same problem with your car cars trucks atvs skidoos all use ethanol and like your outboard all are ethanol ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 do you have the same problem with your car cars trucks atvs skidoos all use ethanol and like your outboard all are ethanol ready maybe there ready for ethanol but the issue is when it sits, still seeing carbs with seized needle seats ect due to ethanol, fuel injection doesn't seem as affected though(guessing more stainless steel components), but i am still fixing a ton of boats and sleds with ethanol related issues, or anything that tends to sit for long periods of time, problem1 is corn alcohol is a solvent and will eat away at rubber, brass and other fuel components over time seen many a leaking omc carb bowl due to it then it absorbs water gets even more acidic and causes corrosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Terry, read my first post again and see what the mec. said about a car and an outboard. Also what ecmilley said. Hey, I'll admit I'm no expert or an experienced, trained, documented and licenced mechanic so why would you argue against a guy who runs a busy repair shop with 2 guys working for him? And my own motor and wallet was the evidence. But then again I run into those who argue with me at least once a week in my own field. I guess there are people everywhere who'll argue that it's a rainy miserable day when the sun shines brightly and there isn't a cloud to be seen as far as the horizon reaches. So why not pay a few cents more at the pump for your boat's gas? I hope for you and your passengers sake you don't get stuck with a failing motor out in the middle of a lake with a thunderstorm coming at you. Well then at least if that should happen then I can say "I told ya so!" Happy No harsh feelings, just my opinion learned from a personal experience and from others who have encountered the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 do you have the same problem with your car cars trucks atvs skidoos all use ethanol and like your outboard all are ethanol ready Didn't you have a bunch of engine trouble last year, or the year before?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yeah they changed everything thinking it was ethanol but it was a coil that shorted out every now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah they changed everything thinking it was ethanol but it was a coil that shorted out every now and then OUCH! Hate when they do that to you. Hope they gave you a bit of a break. Computer code couldn't find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 he charged me almost nothing for all the extra visits and parts the motor ran for long periods of time and never gave any indication it had one bad coil the 6th time I had it to him it finally acted up while he was testing it..problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 You don't have that corn gas up there though, do you? S. The first 15 it lived in Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffw Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 If you read the stickers they actually say may contain up not just contains. Most of petro canadas regular has less than 3% etanol in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskywizard Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 If you read the stickers they actually say may contain up not just contains. Most of petro canadas regular has less than 3% etanol in it. I'd like to hear more about the source of the info Jeff. I know the mandatory labels warn you how much ethanol 'might' be present. But I think you're talking about actual percentages, not possible percentages, right? With respect to Petro Can's fuel, is it always <3% ethanol, or does it change seasonally/geographically? How can you tell what it is before pumping it? I have never seen a more difinitive sticker than the "May Contain Up To..." Is this something that you learned personally, as an insider, or something that I can determine when I'm at the pump, or from the interwebz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecmilley Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 If you read the stickers they actually say may contain up not just contains. Most of petro canadas regular has less than 3% etanol in it. actually from the laws as i read them that total gasoline sales must contain 5% ethanol in ontario at least, so it;s usually the 87 grade that has the most corn gas in it to meet the 5% quota while higher grades can caontain less or none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffw Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I know this first hand as I work for a petrocanada marketer and have had several discussions with varying suncor reps and tech people. All these problems that people are having with ethanol in regular gas is because of water or they are getting crappy fuel. I have been using regular gas from our cardlocks in my 1994 20hp evinrude for the past 7 years and have not had a single issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshtrax Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I wouldn't mind finding a local station that's got regular without ethanol. I don't want to think about the $$$ to repair that Yamaha 115. Corner of 89 and 50 in alliston . Highest , Only hightest in the sleds for me. My issue is with the plugging of jets in the carbs n corn gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshtrax Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Only hightest in all my two strokes especially the older ones, burnt down a few motors on the corn gas . Due to carb issues after sitting for only 2-3weeks on sleds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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