Whitespinnerbait Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 I don't know if you could pay me enough to rush into a burning building for no other reason than to stop if from burning....they deserve all they get in my books. Are they doing it for the money ..or because thats what they like to do .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Are they doing it for the money ..or because thats what they like to do .... Their doing it because because their the type of guys who get satisfaction from helping people when they need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Are they doing it for the money ..or because thats what they like to do .... Most do it for the adrenaline rush, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted December 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Most do it for the adrenaline rush, I think. I wonder if Lew's taken up bungie jumping after retirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Police and fire have been more prevalent on the list due to overtime and and crazy arbitration decisons. Provincial arbitrators awarded a select few fire services "retention" pay. They were losing quality fire fighters to other services and professions (like EMT). In order to retain the people in those jobs, pay was increased. Unfortunately, ALL fire services wanted wage parity and when it came to collective bargaining time, the unions held out, but kept working. Well, in a lot of cases, the collective agreements went to arbitration and they were awarded retention pay even though retention was not an issue. The arbitrators reasoned that all fire professionals should get paid similarly across the province. The smaller municipalities were essentially forced into paying "big city" wages. Well, the police got hold of the same concept, but theirs is called "recognition pay." They get certain increments depending on how many years they have been with the force. The reasoning here was that if you pay people more, they are more likely to stay on longer and not retire as early, being able to train up and comers. Thing is, they argued that oficers were retiring early, but they weren't. Again, the decision came down in a large centre, by an arbitrator but was extended in many circumstances to police services across the province. Don't know much about the nursing situation. What I can say is that many of the people in the categories above make the list due to one thing - Overtime. Overtime is a systematic problem in my opinion. When people are making 20-50% of their base wage as overtime over the course of a year there is a problem - it just can't be healthly and points to a systematic problem that needs to be addressed by management. Not sure why these people are working so much OT, but a lot are making more than their managers and even Chiefs, which is absurd. Anyway, I'm not here to say if they are "worth" the money as I haven't done the job, but they are necessary and I appreciate the work they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitespinnerbait Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I wonder if Lew's taken up bungie jumping after retirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) some of these fireman who work the 7 shifts a month (i think that's how many it is) have worked with me on the side because they have so much spare time. At least the ones I have met are NOT exercising or waxing the truck at 3 a.m.! They sleep. And they are clearly motivated people because they have a 2nd job on their days off! Personally, I would not want someone trying to save my family if they've been up over 24 hours. I fail to see any advantage to this system, other than the employee who gets to sleep on the job and have 20-something days off a month. Due to the risk of the job they should definitely be compensated well, but doesn't being awake more than 24 hours make a risky job even more risky? Edited December 25, 2009 by Rizzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) I think 24 hour shifts is just milking an already lucrative job. Possibly I'm just jealous having to work 5 days a week. I see no need of somebody making 100k a year taking a second job when there is almost 10% unemployment. Dunno how this got to be about firefighters but this is my 2cents. PS, there is a law limiting how long you can drive a truck without rest...why not for fighting fires? Edited December 25, 2009 by Dara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitespinnerbait Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I see no need of somebody making 100k a year taking a second job when there is almost 10% unemployment. They take on a second job..Just to see how it feels to actually work for a living........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 They take on a second job..Just to see how it feels to actually work for a living........... That's just about the most ignorant god dammed remark I've ever seen posted on this board, but it seems typical coming from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbosh1980 Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 That's just about the most ignorant god dammed remark I've ever seen posted on this board, but it seems typical coming from you. X2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 X2 x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish1965 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Too much jealousy on this thread. You wanna make 100k...make yourself worth 100k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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