Mister G Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 Shooting towards houses... Mind numbingly idiotic Not really depending on the distance. Most non-hunters have no idea of the distance bird shot will travel or better yet effective on killing "ducks" in this case. Forty yards is the MOST for killing waterfowl with today's steel shot and that's still a lucky shot by most accounts. As a waterfowl hunter I was taught many moons ago to put one decoy out about 40 yards out from my duck blind to gauge the max killing range and don't shoot at anything beyond that range because you will only cripple ducks and mostly you will be wasting expensive ammo. Now when a duck is flying in the swamp the best gauge you have is the trees. If they are above the tree line they are too high to kill. Now you know the killing range of a shotgun using bird shot. Not nearly as far as you probably thought. So when you see a boat way off shore shooting towards shore, in most cases they are well beyond reaching shore with their shots. And even if their shot does reach you it's like heavy rain coming down on you as I have experienced this many times hunting swamps during duck season.
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 I used to use #2 lead shot for dealing with problem birds @ my pond. The pond was 125 yards from the back of the house. I had no problem dispatching those fish stealing #$%^ with my old side by side 36" full choked scatter gun from the house.
Mister G Posted September 29, 2015 Report Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) I used to use #2 lead shot for dealing with problem birds @ my pond. The pond was 125 yards from the back of the house. I had no problem dispatching those fish stealing #$%^ with my old side by side 36" full choked scatter gun from the house. That was over 25 years ago old man...........lead hasn't been legal for at least that long and no one uses 36" full choke shotguns anymore and those were NOT ducks you killed at 125 yard where they ? ? ? Let's bring this discussion back to reality and modern times. Edited September 29, 2015 by Mister G
John Bacon Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Killing range is one factor; the range at which it can take a person's eye out would be another. In the case in the initial report; they were shooting at sitting ducks so any shot would be coming in on level trajectory, not raining down on them.
G.mech Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) That was over 25 years ago old man...........lead hasn't been legal for at least that long and no one uses 36" full choke shotguns anymore and those were NOT ducks you killed at 125 yard where they ? ? ? Let's bring this discussion back to reality and modern times. Just to set the record straight, lead shot was banned for hunting migratory birds in 1999 (16 years ago). Lead shot is still legal for other purposes, is readily available and is widely used for many things as are full choke barrels. Edited September 30, 2015 by G.mech
manitoubass2 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Not really depending on the distance. Most non-hunters have no idea of the distance bird shot will travel or better yet effective on killing "ducks" in this case. Forty yards is the MOST for killing waterfowl with today's steel shot and that's still a lucky shot by most accounts. As a waterfowl hunter I was taught many moons ago to put one decoy out about 40 yards out from my duck blind to gauge the max killing range and don't shoot at anything beyond that range because you will only cripple ducks and mostly you will be wasting expensive ammo. Now when a duck is flying in the swamp the best gauge you have is the trees. If they are above the tree line they are too high to kill. Now you know the killing range of a shotgun using bird shot. Not nearly as far as you probably thought. So when you see a boat way off shore shooting towards shore, in most cases they are well beyond reaching shore with their shots. And even if their shot does reach you it's like heavy rain coming down on you as I have experienced this many times hunting swamps during duck season. I understand this, and agree for the most part im a bird hunter myself. Regardless i think its just silly to shoot in that direction IMO
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Just to set the record straight, lead shot was banned for hunting migratory birds in 1999 (16 years ago). Lead shot is still legal for other purposes, is readily available and is widely used for many things as are full choke barrels. Actually Migratory waterfowl. Migratory birds such as woodcock can be hunted with lead even though you need a migratory bird permit to hunt them. And you are correct that there are many uses for full choked barrels, even extra full chokes (turkey). That was over 25 years ago old man...........lead hasn't been legal for at least that long and no one uses 36" full choke shotguns anymore and those were NOT ducks you killed at 125 yard where they ? ? ? Let's bring this discussion back to reality and modern times. No they were not ducks, they were larger fish stealing birds. Also my old double gun was purchased to shoot classic doubles sporting clay and trap competitions. Just so happens it makes a great long distance fish stealing deterrent. The shells were my old pre-ban goose loads.
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I understand this, and agree for the most part im a bird hunter myself. Regardless i think its just silly to shoot in that direction IMO Especially when the shore is lined with homes and cottages. A lot different on a wild back lake in the bush.
dave524 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I used to use #2 lead shot for dealing with problem birds @ my pond. The pond was 125 yards from the back of the house. I had no problem dispatching those fish stealing #$%^ with my old side by side 36" full choked scatter gun from the house. I've shot lead on waterfowl from 65 till it was banned, Hunting Instructor for the MNR and also competitive trap and skeet, 125 yds no way, 70 maybe, you'd be lucky to scare them at 125 yds.
manitoubass2 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I've shot lead on waterfowl from 65 till it was banned, Hunting Instructor for the MNR and also competitive trap and skeet, 125 yds no way, 70 maybe, you'd be lucky to scare them at 125 yds. I drove a golf ball across bass lake. I was stoked, thought it was at least 320 yard carry. Hopped in the boat and measured it out, 260. Easy to skew distances based off just your eyes
Sinker Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Most guys shooting shotguns can't figure out where 40yds is, never mind over 100. I'd let you shoot right at me at 100yds, even with #2 lead. S.
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Well considering I had it measured out for my shooting range and my archery range I'm pretty sure my measurements were accurate.
lew Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Well considering I had it measured out for my shooting range and my archery range I'm pretty sure my measurements were accurate. Considering how well you build houses Dave I'd bet $$$$ your measurements were right on.
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Considering how well you build houses Dave I'd bet $$$$ your measurements were right on. Oh, and cormorants aren't very hardy birds. Edited September 30, 2015 by DRIFTER_016
Sinker Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Sorry, but at 125 yds with #2 lead, I call Bull. I know your a smart fella, but that's a long poke for shot. Too long. You may get lucky with the one golden pellet the odd time, but that my friend, is too far for lead shot. How much hold over at 125yds for #2 shot?? haha S.
Acountdeleted Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Are you allowed to open fire 250' from land? And here I thought I'd get in heck bow fishing for carp 2-3km away from houses. Edited September 30, 2015 by jeremy84
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Sorry, but at 125 yds with #2 lead, I call Bull. I know your a smart fella, but that's a long poke for shot. Too long. You may get lucky with the one golden pellet the odd time, but that my friend, is too far for lead shot. How much hold over at 125yds for #2 shot?? haha S. You be the judge. Even going off this sat image of the old homestead it works out to about 100 meters between the house and closest part of the pond. As for the hold it's about 3' high.
Sinker Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I don't doubt the distance, just that the shot has enough energy to penetrate at that distance. I would agree on the 3' holdover though LOL S.
DRIFTER_016 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I don't doubt the distance, just that the shot has enough energy to penetrate at that distance. I would agree on the 3' holdover though LOL S. You can go check the carcasses in the ditch behind the tree line for evidence if you like. Actually one of the cormorants I hit flipped over backwards and landed in the pond stone dead. Other times I had to finish them off. Those big blue cormorants are really tough!!!!
Mister G Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Drifter, sorry I called you "Old Man" but it was done in respect........(I may be older) However, being a avid waterfowl hunter and have shot thousands of rounds at ducks and geese I have to side with the Sinker on this issue. BTW thanks for taking out that cormorant bird for all of us. One less thing to worry about
Sinker Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Also a hardcore waterfowler, born and raised as one.....i WISH I could kill something at 125 yds with a shotgun loaded with shot. Like I said, you got lucky, and found the golden pellet. It happens once in a blue moon. Nice job on the cormorant tho.....i dont care if they're 1000 yds as long as your killin em! S.
manitoubass2 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Cormarant killers! Ive never killed any but wow can they devistate a fishery. Years ago rainy lake was almost a waste land because of those birds. I never understood how bad it was till i seen it with my own eyes(i assumed other anglers were exagerating) Come evening they literally blocked out the sun. And as we camped you could see them follow pelicans and steal their meals It was unreal Im not sure how the lake rebounded but i sure heard of alot of folk pouring gas on eggs(not sure why gas?)
pc154 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 Also a hardcore waterfowler, born and raised as one.....i WISH I could kill something at 125 yds with a shotgun loaded with shot. Like I said, you got lucky, and found the golden pellet. It happens once in a blue moon. Nice job on the cormorant tho.....i dont care if they're 1000 yds as long as your killin em! S. 125 yards with lead is a chip shot!!!!! Come on Sinker, i've seen you do it!! LOL
Sinker Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I have seen the golden pellet but never had one go that far lol S.
SirCranksalot Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 Those big blue cormorants are really tough!!!! I guess you need to marinate them overnite!!
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