manitoubass2 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Thanks guys Appreciate the perspective. This will end up in the courts if the authorities don't act...there is too much at stake for property owners. One of my neighbours has given me a heads up on a potential class action law suit. They will lose. Treaty rights come directly from the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Anything stopping everyone from harvesting some wild rice? About time this form of extortion got put to an end Im not sure? Thats a good question I would think anyone can harvest it? It grows wild I know if I seen some id go harvest it. I see zero reason not too. Its free food, grows abundantly in nature Edited September 10, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman7 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 We were considering moving for retirement to waterfront on either Buckhorn or Pigeon. After reading this, I will now be rethinking and probably looking at BOQ. The rice will only spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 A couple of my buddies were up there today goose hunting and said ths guy had no respect for them at all. He ran his boat 40 yds from their set up. They had to yell at the guy to back off. Speaks volumes to me! S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 A couple of my buddies were up there today goose hunting and said ths guy had no respect for them at all. He ran his boat 40 yds from their set up. They had to yell at the guy to back off. Speaks volumes to me! S. See this kinda thing drives me nuts. Just because I have treaty rights doesnt mean I need to be rude to others on the water doing THEIR thing! Goes both ways but sheesh, show some respect!!! To nature and your fellow man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yep, apparently the water is "his". S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McCutcheon Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I really hope this does not escalate into something that can't be stopped. The duck blinds out in the lake have been in the same location every fall since I have been here (just over 10 years) I am sure those hunters are not going to take too kindly to someone harvesting their decoys along with the rice. OOPS....SORRY DIDN'T SEE THEM, WON'T CUT IT. Edited September 11, 2015 by Tom McCutcheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yep, apparently the water is "his". S. Some people are just jerks. Native or whatever. Tomfoolery, thats why I mentioned earlier it would not surprise me if this guy contributes his own body to the ecosystem, via shotgun blast(not that I condone that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhorn250 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Its a pretty sad situation. To be clear any resident of Canada has the right to harvest wild plants within the restrictions provided...protected plants, trees, shrubs, personal property. The issue here is not the harvesting which is an absolute right....its the planting and seeding of the rice. Equivalent to one of use trying to plant a cash crop like corn in a public park. The treaty, permit and rights of this individual do not cover seeding. Its not his right to determine how much rice there should be in these lakes. Also, another interesting angle were looking at is that he is marketing his product as "Wild Rice"...there is nothing wild about it...its a planted cash crop. I have a number of friends and colleges in the restaurant business in Toronto who have been approached and have purchased this product. They were shocked to hear the background (they advertise it as "wild rice") and there is a up swelling starting. Kill the market demand...kill the product. Also to be clear this is one guy...its a shame that he is hiding behind his heritage and creating a negative association...its an individual not a group that has created this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Its a pretty sad situation. To be clear any resident of Canada has the right to harvest wild plants within the restrictions provided...protected plants, trees, shrubs, personal property. The issue here is not the harvesting which is an absolute right....its the planting and seeding of the rice. Equivalent to one of use trying to plant a cash crop like corn in a public park. The treaty, permit and rights of this individual do not cover seeding. Its not his right to determine how much rice there should be in these lakes. Also, another interesting angle were looking at is that he is marketing his product as "Wild Rice"...there is nothing wild about it...its a planted cash crop. I have a number of friends and colleges in the restaurant business in Toronto who have been approached and have purchased this product. They were shocked to hear the background (they advertise it as "wild rice") and there is a up swelling starting. Kill the market demand...kill the product. Also to be clear this is one guy...its a shame that he is hiding behind his heritage and creating a negative association...its an individual not a group that has created this issue. great info,and glad you said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRISONER Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) simple solution using critical mass every person that is Ticked off about this situation, should go out and collect 1lb of rice, or at least make an effort to destroy his crops... if everyone gangs up on it, the problem is solved. The guy can say you are destroying his crops, but whos crops are they if they are planted on water...What is the guy going to do, press charges against 1000 people? If this guy tried to do this on my bay, id be out there dragging a sickle a couple hours a day. I personally think this guys an idiot...he knows bloody well what hes doing and hes using his status as a shield of sorts, its pretty pathetic. Theres a proper way to go about things in order to avoid problems and hes simply making noise just to make noise. Ill also point out that an absolutely huge section of upper buckhorn and curve lake is beside the reserve...these areas are mostly barren of any structures or peoples cottages. If the guy wanted to plant rice in there, people would maybe still upset but his argument would be way more valid. Instead this dink goes and plants rice in south pigeon infront of everyones cottages. This reminds me of the story of when some status guys tried to say that it was their right to string a gill net across byng inlet during the walleye run...lets just say a few anchors were towed and (rumour has it some shots were fired) but that never happened again. I feel bad for the native guys that try make an honest living, this kind of garbage just makes a lot of noise and I am sure makes it worse off for everyone. Edited September 11, 2015 by AKRISONER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 It should be highly illegal to plant ANYTHING in a lake unless it's to restore destroyed environments. Planting/seeding/introducing any organism can have a profound and permanent effect on an ecosystem. Very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 It is illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmer Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I was going to say that I have always understood that it is illegal to harvest wild rice. (non-native) http://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90w07 Edited September 11, 2015 by jimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckhorn250 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Yes Jimmer I believe your correct it is illegal for me to harvest wild rice. I'm willing to take it to the courts...the rice I remove is not wild...it has been seeded and intentionally planted and does not meet the criteria outlined by the statute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 The way I understand it is Whetung has two licences to harvest - one commercial (he uses an airboat), the other traditional native (using a canoe). I think Pigeon is his commercial crop and Upper Chemong the traditional. I dont see how he can plant and harvest commercially using his treaty rights as a backfall. Homeowners and cottagers need to jump through permit hoops to change any part of their shoreline, but altering the lake for commercial gain goes unabated. He sells the rice at the local farmers market. Anyone up for a protest....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshtrax Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Anyone got a 50 gallon drum of roundup kicking around???. Just kidding of course . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ya the traditional way way of his ancestors with an airboat and all the mechanical equiptment just like they used to use !!! There is video of h doing his harvesting taken by cottagers not sure if it's on YouTube but it's there somewhere makes quite the mess as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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