chris f. Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 so i lost the key to my quad... its holding up my fishing i think its in the snow in the yard but unless it all melts, i'll have to wait til spring. yamaha says its $600 fo a new ignition, and i don't wanna do that. can i rig up something so the electric start will work? i have the lights on but the pull start don't work (figures)... any ideas?
cheaptackle Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Seems to me you should be able to order a new key only...is there a number on the ignition where you insert the key? I've done this for boats in the past, but not sure how it works for bikes. Michael
jedimaster Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) The ignition likely needs to be grounded at the switch in order to activate the coils. Do you have a wiring diagram of the ignition? You can always just punch a screwdriver into the key grab onto the key with some vice grips and break the pins then it will work with any key. I had to do that on my old K car one time. It might have a clutch kill sensor on it, if the clutch isn't pulled in even in neutral it won't start. You would really need to post the model of the bike to get started on something.really if you get an ignition wiring diagram somene should be bale to identify. cross those to wires and you bike will be in Start. you can usually install a toggle switch inline instead of a key and it should work. Thats all an ignition is. is a toggle switch. for a car its a momentary toggle for the start. I am guessing yours is a 3 position ignition off, acc, run. Cars are Off Acc, Run, Start. a bit more complicated. Basically you just need to remove the key ignition, cut the wires and go to crappy tire and buy any old 3 position key then install it. Edited January 8, 2013 by jedimaster
chris f. Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Posted January 8, 2013 i talked to my yamaha dealer the other day and told them i lost the key, and they said new ignition, didn't say anything about a replacement key if the pull start worked i would be golden, and i have the machine powered up, just no way to turn it over ( im not push starting her lol )
skeeter Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Grab all the keys you can find in the house and try them out. You would be surprised at what will work.
4x4bassin Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Seems to me you should be able to order a new key only...is there a number on the ignition where you insert the key? I've done this for boats in the past, but not sure how it works for bikes. Michael There is a key# on the key itself not on the ignition that I know of . I know it is too late but a good reminder here is to write down that key # in a safe spot like your mannual (there is an actual spot for it) As for starting it with out a key , I can't help you out there , sorry !
jedimaster Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Do you have it locked into ACC or Run? the ignition won't work unless its at Run even if you had a pull start or jump started it. Once you have it in run you should be ok to just ground out the starter solenoid.
jedimaster Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 The starter solenoid will likely look something like this just cross it with something metal like a screwdriver. warning there will be sparks. http://www.aliexpress.com/compare/compare-starter-solenoid.html
Bondar Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 ignitions with keys on ebay for $20 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Key-IGNITION-SWITCH-atv-dirt-bike-Suzuki-dr-rmz-ltz-drz-LTA-king-quad-runner-ds-/321049748062?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac00e625e&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ignition-Key-Switch-YAMAHA-KODIAK-400-YFM400-1993-1994-1995-1996-1997-1998-ATV-/280913273232?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4167bc6190&vxp=mtr
Gerritt Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 New ignition for my skidoo sled was 30 bux..... 600 seems insane!
jedimaster Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 You can also by something like this and connect it when you need to start it... http://discount-cabin.com/shop/product_info.php/actron-cp7853-remote-starter-switch-p-33670 I used to haveone back in the day when I had to do valve adjustments. Just clip it onto the solenoid and click you can control the starter from under the hood. Lots of people got hurt using these starting it from under the hood and its left in gear. I think buying a replacement key and ignition should be the best thing to do though. Remove it first and go to the auto parts counter. Car quest carries them and they are very helpful. Just show it to them and they will be able to hook you up. Of course you will need to jerry rig it the atv somehow though.
Fisherman Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 so i lost the key to my quad... its holding up my fishing i think its in the snow in the yard but unless it all melts, i'll have to wait til spring. yamaha says its $600 fo a new ignition, and i don't wanna do that. can i rig up something so the electric start will work? i have the lights on but the pull start don't work (figures)... any ideas? Well the first thing that pops up is why only one key. Ya, I know you probably procrastinated in getting the second or third spare cut. $600 seems about 500 too steep. Ever try the paperclip key, use the narrow folded end. Those are pretty simple keys without a lot of teeth.
Burtess Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 If I was close to you I would come over with the metal detector but you are quite a trek for me! If you are pretty sure you lost it in the yard, post an ad on Kijiji and see if someone local will help you out with a metal detector. Burt
chris f. Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Posted January 8, 2013 If I was close to you I would come over with the metal detector but you are quite a trek for me! If you are pretty sure you lost it in the yard, post an ad on Kijiji and see if someone local will help you out with a metal detector. Burt good tips guys, the yamaha shop said its "best" to get the genuine part from them = $600 .. i dont know why. its only a 2 click ignition, just on and off. so with the lights on, i just need to get the starter to work.. i will try again in the morning. thanks guys
Christopheraaron Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 good tips guys, the yamaha shop said its "best" to get the genuine part from them = $600 .. i dont know why. its only a 2 click ignition, just on and off. so with the lights on, i just need to get the starter to work.. i will try again in the morning. thanks guys I'll bring out my metal detector if you take me out on the ice
Freshtrax Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) If its anything like a sled, take the two wires off the back tape them together and pull the rope. Other than that if you take the ignition to a locksmith he should be able to make you a key. I got to buffalo airport once and left my keys in North Carolina . Called locksmith he took my door lock to the shop and made a key in under an hour. Edited January 8, 2013 by Freshtrax
dhickey Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) There is a way to by pass your ignition switch but that would mean anyone could start it and drive away.?? Edited January 8, 2013 by saltydawg
Steve Piggott Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 There is two wires to the key switch cut them, join together bike will start..
Freshtrax Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 There is a way ro by pass your ignition switch but that would mean anyone could start it and drive away.?? Not sure about newer stuff but on my 2002 Honda 400ex yep, same on my 98 Polaris
BillM Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Hot wiring this thing should take maybe 2-3 mins.
Rich Nelson Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Rent a 3ft wide magnet for picking up roofing nails, and drag it around where you think it might have fallen....
chris f. Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) i've got it to where i have it in run position with the lights light up... its just " turn key to on position" but the electic start wont go... and the pull start needs repair i have a locksmith coming this afternoon to make me a new key.. they say about 95% success rate... Edited January 8, 2013 by Trent River Fishin'
irishfield Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 Rent a 3ft wide magnet for picking up roofing nails, and drag it around where you think it might have fallen.... Keys these days are usually brass or aluminum... not gonna help him unless there's a good steel ring on it.
chris f. Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Posted January 8, 2013 there is a good steel ring on it.. good point the locksmith has come and gone.. and did a great job.. took apart the key cylnder and made an impression on some type of SOFT metal,... then snip snip and there were 2 new keys.. works great and when i find the other key tomorrow (with my luck...lol) i'll have spares. thanks for the help guys
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