TJQ Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Releasing Supermarket Fish Into Rouge River Leads To Fines Two Greater Toronto Area residents have been fined a total of $1,000 for releasing live fish into the Rouge River, in the City of Toronto. Li Zhang of Toronto and Zhuolun Zhang of Markham pleaded guilty to releasing live fish into the Rouge River. They were each fined $500. The court heard that on March 3, 2012, a member of the public was walking in Rouge Park when he observed a man and woman carrying buckets of fish from a vehicle to the river. The man approached the couple and explained that it was illegal to release the fish into the river. The couple ignored the warning and the incident was reported to the Ministry of Natural Resources TIPS hotline. A conservation officer subsequently located and charged the man and woman involved. The fish had been purchased at a supermarket for the purpose of being released to the wild. The Ministry of Natural Resources reminds the public that it is illegal to deposit live fish into any body of water other than the body of water from which they came. The illegal release of live fish poses a significant threat to Ontario's environment, and could result in the introduction of harmful diseases and invasive species. Justice of the Peace Ruby Wong heard the case in the Ontario Court of Justice in Toronto on June 7, 2012. To report a natural resources violation, call 1-877-TIPS-MNR (847-7667) toll-free any time or contact your local ministry office during regular business hours. You can also call Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).
woodenboater Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I just want to know WHY ? I can't imagine (well I can) why they would do this. This must have been the parking lot off Lawrence Ave. near the lake.
kickingfrog Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 For some cultures this is thought to bring good luck. Along the lines (but far more damaging) of an angler tossing coins into the water. I am not condoning it just passing along information.
TJQ Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 I just dont understand.. isnt that some sort of environmental terrorism... these guys take a few salmon out of season... Three Salmon Poachers Net $3,300 In Fines NEWS June 12, 2012 Three Greater Toronto Area residents have been fined a total of $3,300 for illegal salmon fishing at Bowmanville Creek in Clarington. Vladimir Mihalenja and Alexandre Chablinski of Richmond Hill and Magamed Magomedov of Toronto pleaded guilty to netting salmon on Bowmanville Creek and were each fined $1,100. In addition to the fines, their fishing nets, chest waders and flashlights were permanently forfeited to the Crown. The court heard that on the night of September 22, 2011, conservation officers from the Ministry of Natural Resources found the men netting salmon at Bowmanville Creek in Clarington. The officers saw Mihalenja and Magomedov scooping up the salmon with landing nets and saw Chablinski killing the fish by stamping on them with his boots. Justice of the Peace Maxine Coopersmith heard the case in the Ontario Court of Justice in Whitby on June 6, 2012." ------ and that's more of a fine than intentionally releasing an invasive species into our waters??? ..I don't understand??? Why didn't they just put a couple of barrels of diesel in the river??? Maybe thats less of a fine too?? I dunno... im just a bit infuriated here???
GbayGiant Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 with names like Li Zhang and Zhuolun Zhang why does that not surprise me. Just 500 each for helping detroying our lakes and rivers? I am sure they do it all the time and will continue to do so a long with every other person like them who do it as well. I am sure the fish they let go were things like Gobies, Asian Carp and Snake heads. Tossing Bass or Crappie or something Native would be unheard of. Not that it would be right.
woodenboater Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 For some cultures this is thought to bring good luck. Along the lines (but far more damaging) of an angler tossing coins into the water. I am not condoning it just passing along information. I was wondering about this but never heard of it before. Chinese do have superstitions and beliefs (Feng Shui and Qingming Festival for example) as do others. Still...
TJQ Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 I dont give a --- about peoples beliefs of superstitions.. its unbelievable... its about reasonableness.. that to me .. is certainly ill informed , moronic and unreasonable.
Sinker Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Ya, they should have been used as an example, and fined out the At least then they would tell their friends to be more careful Just wait, things are going to get a lot worse, before they get better. You have to wonder how much of this is going on, that doesn't get caught?? S.
woodenboater Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) deleted. figured out multi quote finally Edited June 14, 2012 by woodenboater
woodenboater Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I dont give a --- about peoples beliefs of superstitions.. its unbelievable... its about reasonableness.. that to me .. is certainly ill informed , moronic and unreasonable. Tremendously ill informed without a doubt. ... You have to wonder how much of this is going on, that doesn't get caught?? ^ This
kickingfrog Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Some dumb cut down a perfectly healthy tree and put it inside their house, decorate it, then throw it out 2 weeks later. They do this every year if you can believe that. From the outside many cultures have unusual traditions. Educate (and fine heavily), don't ostracize.
Sinker Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Some dumb cut down a perfectly healthy tree and put it inside their house, decorate it, then throw it out 2 weeks later. They do this every year if you can believe that. From the outside many cultures have unusual traditions. Educate (and fine heavily), don't ostracize. Apples and oranges. The majority of Those trees are planted from a seed, just for that reason. If certain cultures need to release a fish for good luck, throw it in a pool somewhere, not a trib of lake Ontario, or major watershed. They should be fined the max. Just imagine if we did something in their country....you think we'd get off with a $500 fine?? I don't. S.
mercman Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Some dumb cut down a perfectly healthy tree and put it inside their house, decorate it, then throw it out 2 weeks later. They do this every year if you can believe that. From the outside many cultures have unusual traditions. Educate (and fine heavily), don't ostracize. Agreed, but when people immigrate to Canada, are they not informed of our culture and laws, and encouraged to abide by them or face deportation? Sometimes you cant just say sorry, we didnt know.I believe that the introduction of Asian Carp and Snakeheads was a deliberate act, based on a monetary decision and not on any cultural superstition. I believe it, but our government dances around the truth in the name of political correctness.
woodenboater Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I'm going to ask some friends if they see anything in the local Chinese papers about this story. Perfect opportunity to educate people about our fisheries and the laws protecting them.
Bassaholic Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Some dumb cut down a perfectly healthy tree and put it inside their house, decorate it, then throw it out 2 weeks later. They do this every year if you can believe that. From the outside many cultures have unusual traditions. Educate (and fine heavily), don't ostracize. :wallbash: Are you serious?!?! How can you compare harvesting a farmed tree to possibly destroying an entire ecosystem??? How much are our great lakes fisheries worth? Billions? I agree with T.J. these actions are a form of terrorism and these people should be treated as criminals not just lightly fined!!!
highdrifter Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I was wondering about this but never heard of it before. Chinese do have superstitions and beliefs (Feng Shui and Qingming Festival for example) as do others. Still... You should see the river at Steeles... It's starting to look like the Ganges!!
Stoty Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Ignorance is NO excuse.... If you decide to come live here, then PLAY BY OUR RULES. That means... saying "Merry Christmas" and fishing by our rules and regulations! Plain and simple. If you dont like it..... please feel free to "return to sender!" Just my $0.02...
Toad Hunter Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I must agree that this is ridiculous , and if it's a cultural thing, well.. I'm not even going to start on THAT whole topic, or the christmas thing for that matter, but perhaps rather than attempting to educate the millions of people that may not be aware of the dangers they can cause be doing this... simply ban the selling of live fish at supermarkets:sarcasm: ? (I mean, if they can ban plastic bags.. )
Billy Bob Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Ignorance is NO excuse.... If you decide to come live here, then PLAY BY OUR RULES. That means... saying "Merry Christmas" and fishing by our rules and regulations! Plain and simple. If you dont like it..... please feel free to "return to sender!" Just my $0.02... X2 MERRY CHRISTMAS Stoty......... We have a new tradition in our house......if you send us a CHRISTMAS Card, it gets displayed.....if you send us a "holiday" card, it gets thrown out....the word got out and we only received 1 "holiday" card in the mail compared to dozens of CHRISTMAS Cards.....
Stoty Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 We have a new tradition in our house......if you send us a CHRISTMAS Card, it gets displayed.....if you send us a "holiday" card, it gets thrown out....the word got out and we only received 1 "holiday" card in the mail compared to dozens of CHRISTMAS Cards.....
Terry Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 the law is the law, so no excuse I'm just glad we can post "damn" again LOL
skeeter Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Ontario fishing regulations are printed in more then just english ! Every culture has news papers,radio station's, and tv stations in their own language. Ignorance of the law is NO excuse !
Roy Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 the law is the law, so no excuse I'm just glad we can post "damn" again LOL Actually we can't. Our collective 'superior' intellect will eventually be our downfall. We'll have to learn to be more vigilant. We have a lot of work to do.
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