Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 As said....just read this...did you guys from the Alberta area know anything about this ? ? ?...good...bad...? ? ? http://hosted2.ap.org/NYBUE/f7ded15e4d4846268a17b79c1c4b7cb8/Article_2012-01-19-Oil%20Pipeline/id-75268dbd14be48a8b90bc234eac205be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishnwire Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I don't know a lot about it. Some people are worried about the environmental impact of the construction of the pipeline and the possibility of a spill. Others question why that crude can't be processed here, creating permanent refinery jobs instead of temporary pipeline jobs. Another question is whether or not Canadian producers will be obligated to keep that pipeline filled when they can get a better price elsewhere. Maybe all those fears are totally unfounded...like I say, I don't know much about it and find it hard to trust what any of the stake holders (on either side) are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper D Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Billy Bob , your an sd .......... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Billy Bob , your an sd .......... LOL Skippy, I really got to learn your language...is there a book or something on it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper D Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 There might be .............. lol lol . I'll give you the dif , it means you like hard ball ..... lol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Already lots of pipelines from Canada to the US. Green is oil, Red is NG. Edited January 19, 2012 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Already lots of pipelines from Canada to the US. Green is oil, Red is NG. Are you sure about this map....seen the same thing from SWA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 This has been all over the news for Months. From what I understand, they have already started building the Canadian side of the pipeline. They'll get it done, someway or another. The current request has been denied, so they are going to submit a modifed request. It'll happen, just not on schedule. I've been thinking about it a little. And it does have a huge environmental impact "when" there is an oil leak. But that's not going to stop these polutitians.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Are you sure about this map....seen the same thing from SWA.... You think it's fake? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Funny thing I heard this morning, some down south neighbour got right offended when we said if you don't buy it, the Orient will. The neighbour said that wasn't very neighbourly. Hey,it's business, don't tell us what to do with our stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pguzik Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 The sadest part is that the peoples land which this is going thru, are getting peanuts. One time fee and they cannot say no to it going thru there land. Sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 You think it's fake? lol It's a JOKE Bill....haven't you ever flown SWA (or other airlines) and they have those napkins they give you and on the back it shows all their routes that they fly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 It's a JOKE Bill....haven't you ever flown SWA (or other airlines) and they have those napkins they give you and on the back it shows all their routes that they fly.... My sarcasm meter is broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 My sarcasm meter is broken OH...OK...I just thought it's been awhile since you got "lucky".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Its political brinkmanship. It will. happen, its just a matter of when. The US needs our stable supply of oil and the govt knows it. Its a political football being tossed around. It will create thousands of PRIVATE SECTOR jobs, the type that actually create wealth and not suck on the public teat. The environmental concerns will be dealt with, yes a leak can make a mess but the mess can be cleaned up, we need good paying jobs now, politics be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb4me Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Its the XL pipeline. We (Canadians) want to run it through Nebraska. Here's the catch, I'm not to sure if your all aware of plan B or not. Plan B will light a fire in the panties of many here on OFC. Its the Enbridge pipeline. It will run from Alberta to the Vancouver coast and be shipped to Asian countries. That quite frankly scares the Hell out of me. One oil spill in that area will have HUGE implication on the salmon fishery. That's just the beginning.We quite frankly have bigger fish (pun intended) to fry right here in Canada. Here's all the links and source info you will need to read up on it... Last week, Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver launched a massive public relations offensive to silence Canadians opposed to Enbridge’s Northern Gateway pipeline. His government is trying to manufacture a myth that “foreign special interests” and “radical groups” are “hijacking” the National Energy Board hearings.[1,2] The federal government’s goal is to ram the pipeline through the public review process despite the fact that it is strongly opposed by Canadians who are concerned the pipeline will kill jobs, destabilize our climate and threaten our coast and salmon rivers. This week, Prime Minister Harper doubled-down on the rhetoric, claiming “foreigners” were “hijacking” the process because they want to make Canada “one giant national park.”[3] The reality is that there is broad opposition to a pipeline that would pump tar sands crude from Alberta to British Columbia’s rugged coastal waters where it would be loaded onto supertankers destined for overseas markets. Between 75 and 80% of British Columbians, including 2/3rds of BC’s federal Conservatives, oppose supertanker traffic along BC’s coast because of the risk of oil spills.[4] More than 70 First Nations have joined together to protect the economic and ecological integrity of their land and waters by banning the pipeline and supertankers from crossing their territory.[5] Their voices must be heard. This is a critical moment, the government smear campaign is designed to distract the many Canadians who are learning about this issue for the first time. We need a massive public outcry right now to counter the smear campaign by talking about the real issues. Please click here to tell Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver to put Canada’s best interests before oil industry profits and stop the pipeline: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests'>http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests'>http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests Canada needs an honest debate about the future of our energy, economy and environment. Here’s the real question: is it in Canada’s best interests to build this pipeline and expand the tar sands? Building the Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline will run counter to Canada’s national interest in four major ways: The pipeline would kill jobs all across Canada. Regionally, the small number of jobs building and maintaining the pipeline are not worth the risk that oil spills pose to thousands of jobs in fisheries and tourism.[6] Just ask the residents of the Gulf Coast. Nationally, the pipeline would close factories in Ontario and Quebec. How? For the last ten years, the expansion of tar sands exports has driven up the Canadian dollar, making Canada’s manufacturing exports more expensive and less competitive. This pattern is called the “Dutch Disease,” and in Canada it has contributed to the loss of 627,000 manufacturing jobs in the last nine years. This pipeline will make the situation much worse.[7] The pipeline would destabilize our climate. We have to choose between expanding the tar sands and preventing runaway global warming.[8] The pipeline would threaten our coast and salmon rivers. The pipeline would bring 200+ super-tankers a year to some of the most difficult waters in the world, the area that sank the Queen of the North, a large ferry. This creates an unacceptable threat of a major oil spill, and that’s not the only risk. The pipeline will leak. The same day the review panel hearings opened, Enbridge reported a leak in another one of their pipelines.[9] Over 70 First Nations have banned the pipeline and supertankers from their territory. They have never given up their right to refuse projects, and they are rejecting this project despite significant cash incentives because oil spills are such a major threat to their land and water. It’s time to speak out. Click here to tell send a message to the Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests We have a choice to make, and the stake are high. In the debate about the Enbridge pipeline, we can see two competing visions for Canada. In one, the federal government and oil industry interests work together to exploit our natural resources as quickly as possible, maximizing short-term profits while trashing Canada’s environment, ruining our reputation, killing jobs, eroding our democracy and ensuring catastrophic climate change. In the other, Canadians work together through democratic processes and an independent regulatory framework to use our oil resources to build a forward-looking renewable energy economy that ensures sustainable prosperity for generations to come while making Canada a leader in the global struggle for climate security. Right now, there are countless Canadians who are standing up for a positive vision and being smeared by their own government. Let’s stand up with them, and put the focus back on the real issues. Click here to send your message to Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests Thank you for all you do. With hope and respect, Matthew, Jamie, Emma, Julia, Jen, Ryan and Adam on behalf of Leadnow.ca P.S. - If you recently joined our community through our Crime Bill campaign, Leadnow.ca is an independent advocacy organization that brings generations of Canadians together to achieve progress through democracy. We work on a range of issues. You can read more about us, and our plan to organize for change together in Canada here: http://www.leadnow.ca/power-the-plan Sources: Harper warns pipeline hearings could be “hijacked” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/01/06/harper-northern-gateway-hearings.html An Open Letter from Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/an-open-letter-from-natural-resources-minister-joe-oliver/article2295599/ Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/01/16/pol-harper-mansbridge-interview.html Opposition to oil tankers on the rise http://forestethics.org/opposition-to-bc-oil-tankers-on-the-rise- Save the Fraser Declaration http://savethefraser.ca Pipeline project a gateway to disaster http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Pipeline-project-gateway-disaster/5988821/story.html Canadian jobs lost to the tar sands http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/matt-price/canadian-oil_b_180255.html Oil sands should be left in the ground: NASA scientist http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/oil-sands-should-be-left-in-the-ground-nasa-scientist/article1743844/ Enbridge reports leak from U.S. pipeline as Northern Gateway hearings begin http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/enbridge-reports-leak-from-us-pipeline-as-northern-gateway-hearings-begin/article2298173/ The real foreign interests in the oilsands http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/real-foreign-interests-oilsands/5981230/story.html The Enbridge Pipeline: The "Largest and Most Insidious Threat to Our Culture." (Gerald Amos, Former Chief Councilor, Haisla First Nation) http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/gerald-amos/northern-gateway-pipeline1199956.html Please support the Leadnow.ca community! We're independent, and our small efficient team makes sure your donation goes a long way. Every dollar helps. You can donate online at http://www.leadnow.ca/en/donate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Its political brinkmanship. It will. happen, its just a matter of when. The US needs our stable supply of oil and the govt knows it. Its a political football being tossed around. It will create thousands of PRIVATE SECTOR jobs, the type that actually create wealth and not suck on the public teat. The environmental concerns will be dealt with, yes a leak can make a mess but the mess can be cleaned up, we need good paying jobs now, politics be damned. I tend to agree.....built NOW and we'll settle all the problems before we turn it on....win~win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioFisherman Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 According to recent reports oil is one of our largest exports, that hasn`t seemed to help stabilize the prices here? Our business community is just concerned about exporting to people willing to pay more. Sort of the same concerns as the mega quarry up there? The Ogallala aquifer runs under where they want to run the pipeline. The mid west states here have a tendency to have prolonged droughts, so any damage to their water supply could be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 According to recent reports oil is one of our largest exports, Do you happen to have a copy of that report... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eazy Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Its the XL pipeline. We (Canadians) want to run it through Nebraska. Here's the catch, I'm not to sure if your all aware of plan B or not. Plan B will light a fire in the panties of many here on OFC. Its the Enbridge pipeline. It will run from Alberta to the Vancouver coast and be shipped to Asian countries. That quite frankly scares the Hell out of me. One oil spill in that area will have HUGE implication on the salmon fishery. That's just the beginning.We quite frankly have bigger fish (pun intended) to fry right here in Canada. Here's all the links and source info you will need to read up on it... Last week, Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver launched a massive public relations offensive to silence Canadians opposed to Enbridge’s Northern Gateway pipeline. His government is trying to manufacture a myth that “foreign special interests” and “radical groups” are “hijacking” the National Energy Board hearings.[1,2] The federal government’s goal is to ram the pipeline through the public review process despite the fact that it is strongly opposed by Canadians who are concerned the pipeline will kill jobs, destabilize our climate and threaten our coast and salmon rivers. This week, Prime Minister Harper doubled-down on the rhetoric, claiming “foreigners” were “hijacking” the process because they want to make Canada “one giant national park.”[3] The reality is that there is broad opposition to a pipeline that would pump tar sands crude from Alberta to British Columbia’s rugged coastal waters where it would be loaded onto supertankers destined for overseas markets. Between 75 and 80% of British Columbians, including 2/3rds of BC’s federal Conservatives, oppose supertanker traffic along BC’s coast because of the risk of oil spills.[4] More than 70 First Nations have joined together to protect the economic and ecological integrity of their land and waters by banning the pipeline and supertankers from crossing their territory.[5] Their voices must be heard. This is a critical moment, the government smear campaign is designed to distract the many Canadians who are learning about this issue for the first time. We need a massive public outcry right now to counter the smear campaign by talking about the real issues. Please click here to tell Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver to put Canada’s best interests before oil industry profits and stop the pipeline: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests'>http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests'>http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests Canada needs an honest debate about the future of our energy, economy and environment. Here’s the real question: is it in Canada’s best interests to build this pipeline and expand the tar sands? Building the Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline will run counter to Canada’s national interest in four major ways: The pipeline would kill jobs all across Canada. Regionally, the small number of jobs building and maintaining the pipeline are not worth the risk that oil spills pose to thousands of jobs in fisheries and tourism.[6] Just ask the residents of the Gulf Coast. Nationally, the pipeline would close factories in Ontario and Quebec. How? For the last ten years, the expansion of tar sands exports has driven up the Canadian dollar, making Canada’s manufacturing exports more expensive and less competitive. This pattern is called the “Dutch Disease,” and in Canada it has contributed to the loss of 627,000 manufacturing jobs in the last nine years. This pipeline will make the situation much worse.[7] The pipeline would destabilize our climate. We have to choose between expanding the tar sands and preventing runaway global warming.[8] The pipeline would threaten our coast and salmon rivers. The pipeline would bring 200+ super-tankers a year to some of the most difficult waters in the world, the area that sank the Queen of the North, a large ferry. This creates an unacceptable threat of a major oil spill, and that’s not the only risk. The pipeline will leak. The same day the review panel hearings opened, Enbridge reported a leak in another one of their pipelines.[9] Over 70 First Nations have banned the pipeline and supertankers from their territory. They have never given up their right to refuse projects, and they are rejecting this project despite significant cash incentives because oil spills are such a major threat to their land and water. It’s time to speak out. Click here to tell send a message to the Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests We have a choice to make, and the stake are high. In the debate about the Enbridge pipeline, we can see two competing visions for Canada. In one, the federal government and oil industry interests work together to exploit our natural resources as quickly as possible, maximizing short-term profits while trashing Canada’s environment, ruining our reputation, killing jobs, eroding our democracy and ensuring catastrophic climate change. In the other, Canadians work together through democratic processes and an independent regulatory framework to use our oil resources to build a forward-looking renewable energy economy that ensures sustainable prosperity for generations to come while making Canada a leader in the global struggle for climate security. Right now, there are countless Canadians who are standing up for a positive vision and being smeared by their own government. Let’s stand up with them, and put the focus back on the real issues. Click here to send your message to Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver: http://www.leadnow.ca/canadas-interests Thank you for all you do. With hope and respect, Matthew, Jamie, Emma, Julia, Jen, Ryan and Adam on behalf of Leadnow.ca P.S. - If you recently joined our community through our Crime Bill campaign, Leadnow.ca is an independent advocacy organization that brings generations of Canadians together to achieve progress through democracy. We work on a range of issues. You can read more about us, and our plan to organize for change together in Canada here: http://www.leadnow.ca/power-the-plan Sources: Harper warns pipeline hearings could be “hijacked” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/01/06/harper-northern-gateway-hearings.html An Open Letter from Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/an-open-letter-from-natural-resources-minister-joe-oliver/article2295599/ Harper says pipeline debate should be left to Canadians http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/01/16/pol-harper-mansbridge-interview.html Opposition to oil tankers on the rise http://forestethics.org/opposition-to-bc-oil-tankers-on-the-rise- Save the Fraser Declaration http://savethefraser.ca Pipeline project a gateway to disaster http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Pipeline-project-gateway-disaster/5988821/story.html Canadian jobs lost to the tar sands http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/matt-price/canadian-oil_b_180255.html Oil sands should be left in the ground: NASA scientist http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/oil-sands-should-be-left-in-the-ground-nasa-scientist/article1743844/ Enbridge reports leak from U.S. pipeline as Northern Gateway hearings begin http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/enbridge-reports-leak-from-us-pipeline-as-northern-gateway-hearings-begin/article2298173/ The real foreign interests in the oilsands http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/real-foreign-interests-oilsands/5981230/story.html The Enbridge Pipeline: The "Largest and Most Insidious Threat to Our Culture." (Gerald Amos, Former Chief Councilor, Haisla First Nation) http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/gerald-amos/northern-gateway-pipeline1199956.html Please support the Leadnow.ca community! We're independent, and our small efficient team makes sure your donation goes a long way. Every dollar helps. You can donate online at http://www.leadnow.ca/en/donate Well written, would've taken me a month to come up with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eazy Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Natural resources = the next super power = CANADA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb4me Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well written, would've taken me a month to come up with that! LOL I sure didnt write that..I got it from the Leadnow website. Im not that handy with a keyboard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Natural resources = the next super power = CANADA If things were run the way they should be run, that woulda put us in the #1 spot log time ago. Now we are the worlds "wal-mart". Jokes on us But, If you wanna buy a culture, we sure are looking to get rid of this Native thing we hardly use.... Edited January 20, 2012 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 If things were run the way they should be run, that woulda put us in the #1 spot log time ago. Now we are the worlds "wal-mart". Jokes on us But, If you wanna buy a culture, we sure are looking to get rid of this Native thing we hardly use.... And don't forget Tim Horton's.....here in NYS it's advertised now as "Tim Horton's Cafe and Bake Shop"...(even says that on the cups)....the first couple of times I heard that on TV I thought they were saying Cafe and Bait Shop.....honest...but in the Great White North it's just plain old Tim Horton's....what's with that... ...guess you guys already have enough bait shops....LOL P.S. get that pipeline going....but this time bring it right to my house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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