BillM Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Cabelas (In the US or online) has some great Kalins jig heads that I used for lakers during the open water season. Anywhere from 3/4 up to 1.5oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 but spinning reels, by design twist the line each and every time you let the line out and adds line twist any tine you reel while the drag is slipping inline reels do not so lures should spin less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC1 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think I may have expressed my opinion on this before, but I honestly see no point in using something less efficient under a claim of "no line twist". Is that not what swivels are for? If you cannot control line twist on a spinning reel (especially if you've fished for more than a couple of years), you should really be rethinking how to spend your free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I guess I should finally give up after 45 years or more then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Wayne, just upgrade to a nice 5in centerpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickOnt Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Hey Wayne! Never Give up!!! LOL On another note I see Gander Mountain has the Black Betty 6061 On sale for $49. Is there a way to get shipping to Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) I got mine out of Cabela's for $69US + shipping + brokerage and they still end up being $110 each with currency exchange etc (and the buggers shipped from Alberta!). Not sure how Gander ships... Edited November 21, 2014 by irishfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Hey Wayne! Never Give up!!! LOL On another note I see Gander Mountain has the Black Betty 6061 On sale for $49. Is there a way to get shipping to Canada? Taxi... Add 15% exchange, etc, etc. Or you can go here and get it for:http://www.cabelas.ca/product/62063/13-fishing-black-betty-ice-fishing-reel Don't know if its the same one. Edited November 21, 2014 by Fisherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 That's the lower model of the Black Betty.. not the 6061 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan668 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Hey Wayne! Never Give up!!! LOL On another note I see Gander Mountain has the Black Betty 6061 On sale for $49. Is there a way to get shipping to Canada? Not sure. I shipped mine to wny storage in the states, picking it up next week. After a code and cashback, I paid 85usd for the pair. Good deal. Lets see how they preform first. Supposodly the drag is suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan668 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 That's the lower model of the Black Betty.. not the 6061 Yep. I wouldnt consider the bb because of the lack of free spool and lower gear ratio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think I may have expressed my opinion on this before, but I honestly see no point in using something less efficient under a claim of "no line twist". Is that not what swivels are for? If you cannot control line twist on a spinning reel (especially if you've fished for more than a couple of years), you should really be rethinking how to spend your free time. you are joking right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 you are joking right Oh boy, someones in for some whoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickOnt Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 No Unfortunately not the same Cabelas does have the 6061 on for $99 and free shipping I like the $49 much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I think I'll just use this out on the ice this winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Its not the reel that catches the fish, and ive seen many times a spinning jig catch more fish....its the only thing they would hit!! S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I like line twist. reminds me Im still alive. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC1 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Let's put it this way - The marketing of in-line reels finally made it into the mainstream in Ontario last year. The inline reels today are finally updating their technology to have a decent drag, free spool, and other features that I may not be familiar with. Not to say that these are bad reels nor am I bashing on those that own one. You've simply bought yourself a new tool that has great potential to catch a ton of fish. Having never owned one, I won't go into comparing. I will say what I can visually see in a fish tank with a spinning reel on a tungsten jig and small plastic with a small swivel a foot above. When doing small jigging motions (1" to 3"), the tail of my bait may have a range of 60° to 90° of rotation. (360° being a full circle). On a bigger jig (9" to 1'), the tail may go 180° to 360° after it lands but I have yet to have witnessed my jigs spin wildly with the swivel above. More power to you if you feel that you can do better with an inline, but I will stick with my spinning reels. I do believe that the best ice (pan)fishermen are the ones with a precise presentation along with one other trait that we'll discuss another day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) a foot of line out will not have reel line twist with spinning reels, let say those 500 icefishing reels many use has 3" of line per rap , so because of the way it falls off the reel you get 4 twist per foot 100 ft of line out and you have 400 twists , before you start jigging in line reel you get zero twist just like a baitcaster their is a post about the wallis cast with a pin reel, the guys were all saying the only way to get rid of twist others said they could stop using swivels using the wallis cast which lets the line strait out rather then the side cast that has the line come off like a spinning reel I have hours and hours of underwater camera viewing in shallow and deep water and I have seen a jig sit and spin for 5 minutes without any jigging, Lloyd from this forum the charter boat guy is the very best fisherman I know and will bet 30 or more people here will agree. he uses them. Edited November 21, 2014 by Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 a foot of line out will not have reel line twist with spinning reels, let say those 500 icefishing reels may use has 3" of line per rap , so because of the way it falls off the reel you get 4 twist per foot 100 ft of line out and you have 400 twists , before you start jigging in line reel you get zero twist just like a baitcaster their is a post about the wallis cast with a pin reel, the guys were all saying the only way to get rid of twist others said they could stop using swivels using the wallis cast which lets the line strait out rather then the side cast that has the line come off like a spinning reel I have hours and hours of underwater camera viewing in shallow and deep water and I have seen a jig sit and spin for 5 minutes without any jigging, Lloyd from this forum the charter boat guy is the very best fisherman I know and will bet 30 or more people here will agree. he uses them. X2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) The new 'hot' ice fishing thing for 2014, lol. People will buy them, go out and still not catch fish. BUT THE REEL WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP?!?!?!??!! lol. Edited November 21, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 They always hook more fishermen then fish with most fishing products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm sure we're all guilty of that I know I am, lol! Is it my fault I like new fishing toys?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC1 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 We've just put 400 twists and 100' of line in a reel that I believe most people claim impractical after about 25-30' when fishing. I'm not a pin fisherman at all, but then didn't we just somewhat agree that a swivel fixes (some/most) line twist problems? Remember when fluoro was marketed as the only thing you should use because of its invisibility, no stretch etc? I might be missing some benefits of an inline, but I'm having a hard time being swayed that it is the end-all to ice fishing. Let's just all be friends and go out and have a great ice season whatever your reel preferences are. I'm sure we could go days about how a jig that's dropped too fast to a fish will spook it, or a slower descent will make you miss suspended cruisers. Maybe I'll see the benefits when I get my butt handed to me fishing next to one sometime this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I just bought a 101 minnkota ilink and hummingbird 895 finder. Can't hook it up till spring. Toys are us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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