Garnet Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Technically you are correct and you need a microscope and a reason to find the difference. For fishing purpose just go with stone fly. I've tried lot's of patterns for walleye with limit success. Always do better with adjusting my cadenza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 No they aren't.... Technically you are correct and you need a microscope and a reason to find the difference. For fishing purpose just go with stone fly. I've tried lot's of patterns for walleye with limit success. Always do better with adjusting my cadenza. No he's not technically correct, he's 100% correct, you are mistaken. Stoneflies and Mayflies are not even from the same genus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Technically you are correct and you need a microscope and a reason to find the difference. For fishing purpose just go with stone fly. I've tried lot's of patterns for walleye with limit success. Always do better with adjusting my cadenza. Mayflies and stoneflies are actually extremely easy to tell apart from each other, and subspecies (at least the ones we care about) aren't hard to differentiate between either. Mayflies all have upright wings, stoneflies however have overlapping wings that cover the body. Mayflies are also the only one of the two (to my knowledge) that you will find in lakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 ya walleyes don't care witch way there wings are going. They are choking on the nymphs. Earlier this week on a lake north of Lindsay the hatch was crazy. 3 different looking hatches, the light tan color, one with a dark body and darker wings then a few almost black. At one point we were in 30 ft of water with what looked like weeds coming 10 ft off bottom. It was the nymphs swimming up, took about 15 minutes until the surface was covered in cases. The walleyes were catchable 2 hard snaps and catch the bucktail high and hold it there was good for 25-30. Yesterday on walleye meca small hatch all tan colored ones traditional hard snap hit bottom was good for same numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outllaw Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 we use small church boards with a system. try 15ft of line out with custom l.s.clair advantage harnesses with a worm. . the lead zeppelin weight painted ahead of the harness. 15 ft off the boards with a lead zeppelin 1oz. at 1.5 will give you 8ft of depth over 11ft of water. it sure works well for spooky walters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I had to work hard for 2, jigging in the weeds isn't my favorite technique either, 6-10 feet, white twister, 3", small piece of worm IMO, the pics are no longer on fire, there wasn't much on the surface, but my sonar was marking lots of streaks that looked like emerging insects, when in deeper water (not weed choked) Garnet- just to clarify, bucktail jig, hit bottom, 2 hard snaps and hold it up on the 2nd snap? in the weed or where you were marking emerging bugs? 30 walleye? nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 ya walleyes don't care witch way there wings are going. They are choking on the nymphs. Earlier this week on a lake north of Lindsay the hatch was crazy. 3 different looking hatches, the light tan color, one with a dark body and darker wings then a few almost black. At one point we were in 30 ft of water with what looked like weeds coming 10 ft off bottom. It was the nymphs swimming up, took about 15 minutes until the surface was covered in cases. The walleyes were catchable 2 hard snaps and catch the bucktail high and hold it there was good for 25-30. Yesterday on walleye meca small hatch all tan colored ones traditional hard snap hit bottom was good for same numbers. The point of my question was to try to determine if the trout streams up there might be hosting a major hatch. I don't doubt the walleye don't care, but there certainly is a major difference between these bugs. Nice fish there Chris! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 My GF and I laid the smackdown on eyes this morning at first liight, but it shut down quick. We put 15 in thhe boat in less than 2 hours, and had to work for them after that. Didnt notice any bugs at all. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 so now you're say'in "on fire!", Hahaha technique? PM if it's a secret or just don't respond if it's a super secret, I hear ya' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishindevil Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 All week long there were hatches of mayfly a on sturgeon lake there empty shell casings are floating all over !!! We also had a few smallies puke some up at the side of the boat !!!! And in the early morning right after daylight they are sucking them off the surface !!!! Kinda cool didn't see any mayflies in Haliburton lake yesterday tho seems that the kawarthas is where they are hatching this week !!! They seemed to be the smaller mayflies too more of a brown/black color at least on my lake anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Chris the OP title Walleye and Mayflys if you want to talk dry flys start a topic. In the nymph (you have looked at life cycle of stone and may flys) stage you need a magnify glass the tell the difference between stone nymphs and may fly nymphs. You won't find walleye eating may flys off the surface the do gorge on the swim up stage. And Chris B this is a rocky weedline lake and we where fishing very scatter grass in 13.5. The point I'm making is to develop a wide range of presentations with bucktails and find one to trigger walleyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 No secret technique. Just slow trolled harnesses off weed edges. Easy way to fish with the GF lol.....and effective! S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Mayfly's.Shadfly's are all Stone fly's. There are 100's of variety's The hatch today was just wild. What you are seeing hatching out there definitely aren't stoneflies. Most likely brown drakes (ie mayflies).. In the nymph stage they all look very similar (kinda like Atlantic and brown smolts) but calling them stoneflies is incorrect. And being out there when there's a hatch on can be crazy! (And frustrating at the same time if I've left my 4wt at home!) Edited June 23, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outllaw Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 we get them flies so bad. they use front end loaders after a hatch. around st clair its dangerous to ride motorcycles. there liquid grease under streetlights.. a tidbit. at nite walleyes come right to the surface to pig out here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I've caught walleyes on topwater before at night.. (Whitefish as well will be up there when the drakes are hatching) Edited June 23, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 When they mature and fly off the water yes bill they are easy to id. When they are nymph's not Chirs k not me and not you bill can id them. So getting back to OP who would like to try fly's for walleye. Just stick to the stone nymphs patterns. I hope you have more success than I did. Your top water walleye likely came in Sept on the frog migration. Always funny watching walleye hit top water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I've caught mature drakes, tore the wings off and used them under floats before! Killer pattern :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I've caught a few walleyes on topwaters too. Not in september, mid summer, over floating mats of weeds. September is hunting season.... S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I've taken some good walleye at this time of year (June) with the fly rod using emerging patterns and dry fly patterns representing the Hexagenia hatch (both Rigida and Limbata) which is what is happening now. These large burrowing still water mayflies (aka shadflies not stoneflies) are what the walleye are keying in on right now where they are present. Which is most every lake in the province. Many tactics will work just keep the presentation small, a 1" tail piece of a dewy dragged or suspended on a small wire hook can be dynamite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I don't play with 1% strategy's. Keep dreaming the dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I don't play with 1% strategy's. Keep dreaming the dream. Flyrods must scare you dual power pole guys :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I did the fly rods 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 When they mature and fly off the water yes bill they are easy to id. When they are nymph's not Chirs k not me and not you bill can id them. Try me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Google "Mayflys and Stone Flys" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Google "Mayflys and Stone Flys" Maybe you should? I know what the things look like, and I can point out the differences too, my point was that it's really not hard at all to differentiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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