ch312 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Price worked out to about the same or a little less than Excaliber. that is because they are nearly an exact copy of excalibur crossbows and they stole the design rather than paying to make up their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 that is because they are nearly an exact copy of excalibur crossbows and they stole the design rather than paying to make up their own This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stern Rules Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 The course was an one day course at an instructor's house. The OFAH website has many courses posted for different areas. My course was 8am to 7pm with the exam. I would say it's not really hard unless you have the mentality that you are thinking to shoot everything in sight or anything out of sight that moves. It did go over some firearm safety items which I didn't really find any interest in but it was good to know just in case. PM me if you want my instructor's info (located in Stouffville). Stan Thanks. I'll check out the OFAH site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 that is because they are nearly an exact copy of excalibur crossbows and they stole the design rather than paying to make up their own Well, if that is true, why are they faster, have more power, and use a different limb technology? Excalibur tried to sue them for pattent infringement and lost. It may look similar but IMHO it is a better product! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carp Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Alright, since I like the fact Excalibur is Canadian and there are so many good comments so far, I have one further question, the difference I see in fps is 25 more the Vortex, does that make any significant difference in the field? I've been told I would likely be looking at about 30 yards max for the distance from shooting point to target. For about $200 difference is it worth the higher speed? I have 2 Excalibur crossbows. Never had a problem, just a string change you can do yourself. They're 12 and 10 years old respectively and still shooting like day one. About 25 fps. difference between them, but they both have plenty of power to take game within 40 yards. Most of the game I shoot are at 10 yards or less with the furthest being being about 25 yards. Bolts go right through a deer most times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabluz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have 2 Excalibur crossbows. Never had a problem, just a string change you can do yourself. They're 12 and 10 years old respectively and still shooting like day one. About 25 fps. difference between them, but they both have plenty of power to take game within 40 yards. Most of the game I shoot are at 10 yards or less with the furthest being being about 25 yards. Bolts go right through a deer most times. Are you planning to sell one of your crossbows? I also plan to take up hunting with a crossbow. The initial question is just right up my alley. I can only hunt moose in my area and the bowhunting season is far nicer than the rifle season. Since we have to be 2 hunters for moose....which is a pain since my buddies no longer go hunting, I will probably go south to go deer hunting. I'm not a serious hunter, I just like to go hunting and camping alone. Shooting anything will just be the cherry on the icing. Is using a scope on a crossbow a good idea? I would think that a good sight would be just as good and make the crossbow lighter. I have no idea as to what a good crossbow and accessories will cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I like a good scope because they help gather light allowing you to get shots that you might not be able to get otherwise. A good package all rigged up will probably run you about $1000.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuchikubo Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dabluz brought up a question I had in my mind, why do hunters need more than one crossbow? I'm assuming you only bring one while hunting, wouldn't one be sufficient for all game? Or are there specific actions that separate them like fishing rods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabluz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 1000 dollars....whoa....that's a bundle for me. I know that I don't need a scope nor the rack to hold extra bolts so I guess I will save a bit right there. Are the crossbows with cams cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave524 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 CAUTION: you really do need the rack/quiver to hold your extra bolts, one with a hood protecting the broadheads or rather protecting you from the razor sharp edges. More than a few hunters have received self inflicted wounds from them accidently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 No matter what the fps your best advice is to practice with whatever you get as often as possible. My son and I go under a bridge on the railway to simulate being in a tree stand and shooting downward because the downward angle is different. Read your last Ontario out of Doors mag for those details. Practice practice practice. I have an Excaliber Vortex and I upscaled the scope abit. I use the cocking aid religiously as this ensures a consistant pull everytime. I also protect that scope so it doesn't get a jolt while traveling through the bush. Ten point is also a crossbow made in Canada according to the merchant in Port Colbourne. It can't be dryfired. To my knowledge neither ten point or excaliber use nocks. Since I bought my excal I've filled my tags and with the perfect shot. I'd never pull the trigger otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch312 Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 dont skimp out on the quiver as you NEED one. they are $20 so you dont need to worry about that. shooting with pins instead of a scope will save you some money. just search around for a used bow and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I've been out deer hunting so I've been away from this topic. My advice would be twofold: 1) To echo other comments here, I would absolutely NOT do without a quiver. It keeps the bolts handy for a second shot (when mounted on the bow), it's a good storage device for them when not hunting, it keeps the broadheads protected and sharp, and it prevents you cutting yourself on them. 2) Hunting without a red-dot sight certainly can work, but be prepared sooner or later for a legal-light shot that you can't take because you can't see the pins. Get a red-dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Get a red-dot. IMO, I would not go with a red dot.I have used one for two years.I now use the trueglo scope.Sited in for 10,20 30 and 40 yards.At very low light(legal still) I can see much better with the new scope even the crosshairs, then I could with the red dot. Another draw back.You could forget to turn the scope off,then when your up in your tree,theres no red dot.Battery is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuchikubo Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Brian, is Trueglo the brand? if not, what is the brand name so I can look it up. Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 might be truglo scope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuchikubo Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 might be truglo scope Thx Terry, looking at the site now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 IMO, I would not go with a red dot.I have used one for two years.I now use the trueglo scope.Sited in for 10,20 30 and 40 yards.At very low light(legal still) I can see much better with the new scope even the crosshairs, then I could with the red dot. Another draw back.You could forget to turn the scope off,then when your up in your tree,theres no red dot.Battery is dead. Trueglo could very well be an option. I'm not familiar with it. Thing is, it sounds like it's also a low-light alternative to pins, which I would avoid. You don't have to worry much about batteries in a red dot, Bushnell anyway, which is what I've got. I just came back from a deer hunt where I used a red dot on my Browning BLR .308 too. I used mine one day, forgot to turn it off overnight and used it the next day. It was on for about 34 hours straight and the dot was still bright. I tested the battery life once by leaving it on and it went 48 hrs and was still bright. You can tell when the battery power is getting low because the dot will get dimmer; it doesn't suddenly go out. I replace my battery as a matter of course after every two full days of hunting (I leave it on all the time, morning to night). The 2032 batteries it uses I can buy at Dollarama for $1 for a 3-pak. Six days of hunting costs me $1. They're only the size of a quarter, so I always keep a couple of spare batteries in my pocket when out in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) Trueglo could very well be an option. I'm not familiar with it. Thing is, it sounds like it's also a low-light alternative to pins, which I would avoid. The scope gives a bright and clear sight. For those that hunt weekends and leave the light on(red dot) it will be out. Why bother with a battery, when you can get all you need from the Truglo. Thanks Terry. Jocko,how many dots do you have in yours? 3? Edited November 9, 2009 by misfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Why bother with a battery, when you can get all you need from the Truglo. You mean this one? (see attachment).......... ... looks like the same 2032 battery. For those that hunt weekends and leave the light on(red dot) it will be out. Incorrect. If you turn on the Bushnell red dot on Saturday morning and leave it on, it will still be bright by the time you finish hunting on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) You mean this one? (see attachment).......... ... looks like the same 2032 battery. Incorrect. If you turn on the Bushnell red dot on Saturday morning and leave it on, it will still be bright by the time you finish hunting on Sunday. Wrong scope. http://www.eders.com/products/truglo-4x32-...ings-black.html I was talking about hunting sat/sun,then returning the weekend after. Edited November 9, 2009 by misfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Wrong scope. It's a Truglo scope. (?) I was talking about hunting sat/sun,then returning the weekend after. Well it would serve someone right. Then again we're talking about an easily replaceable battery that costs, what, 40 cents? Somehow I don't see a problem here. I already said Truglo could be a good option and wasn't trying to "outsell" you, just giving detail about what a red dot is really like to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I've used red dots in the past and they are very good but when I am hunting in close cover, low light conditions, there is nothing better than a good scope that allows you that extra 15 minutes of shooting time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAZE Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 OK are you guys all done yet??? LOL Ten Point bar none the best crossbow you will ever buy, if you can afford it this would be the choice. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch312 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 checkout the excalibur lumizone scope...mine should be here before the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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