Photoz Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Several years ago I read a post on another board where someone was screaming about getting tagged by a C. O. on the ice on Lake Simcoe for being over the limit on perch. Apparently he and 2 pals were using ONE pail to put ALL their perch in. After checking licenses and gear, the C. O. asked who's pail had the perch in it. When they answered they were ALL using the container, they were curtly told they had to keep 'em seperate, so they could be counted accurately, if required? He then decided the pail must belong to the guy whom he'd seen drop the last fish in! He took a count . . . about 60 fish, and proceeded to write this guy up for exceeding the limit, took his gear & ALL of the fish. Apparently they often get people coming off the ice, or docking a boat with their spot checks, who have fish belonging to several people, all in one container? Now, with the relatively new law that puts limits on crappie & even sunfish (Zone 16 for 1) it appears there MIGHT be a way to put a stop to people keeping 'bucketfuls' of these small fish? Even though I'm pretty sure there is a law concerning 'pooling' fish in a 'communal' container, I can't seem to find any mention of it in the 2008 / 2009 Regulations Summary? Can anyone tell me under what part of the fishing regulations this would be listed. I'd like to print it out and carry it in my vest? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Possession Steve.... the guy carrying the bucket is in possession. It's all they need if they want to be pricks. Consider the charter boat.. 6 guys.. 12 salmon in the ice box.. who's are they?? If they follow the bucket arguement they would be the boat owners and he should be charged. Isn't going to happen.. so the bucket guys should be fighting in court (if they actually caught less than the limit each) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglyfish Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 what if all the guys carry the bucket? 3 hands on 1 pail, then whos in possession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdfast Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 WOW, waiting in the WEEDS to nail one of three people who put all their fish in one Bucket. I could think of alot better ways to spend their time and effort nailing Poachers. One would not be at the Tim Hortons Donut shop parking lot just outside of Vaughn where one young Whippersnapper decided to Question me on the way to the Airport. The picture of Deer on my Sweater must of caught his eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishnwire Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Most COs are good...some of them seem to have an attitude like if you're on the lake or in the bush, you MUST be doing SOMETHING illegal...they just have to look hard enough to discover what it is. I guess they get jaded after a while and begin to think everyone is out to screw the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I would think it falls under the transporting of fish, whether already cleaned or not and in part states the CO must be able to ascertain the number of fish in YOUR possession and the species of fish in YOUR possession, therefore, I would not pool my fish in one bucket regardless of how many hands are making small work of transporting the bucket. Separate bags maybe inside one larger bag or bucket, but keep them separate for an easy count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoz Posted April 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I'm guessing that there may have been a bit more to this story than was told . . . like maybe some attitude showed when they were bein' checked . . . . which is NOT a good idea, with any law enforcement personnel, ESPECIALLY a C. O. Personally it has been pretty rare that I've ever got a hard time from any of 'em. They not only have all the cards, THEY OWN THE DECK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdritchie Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Probably not so much a possession issue as a "party fishing" issue. Forget exactly where it is, but look through the regs and you'll find some commentary on this. Long story short, each individual's limit needs to be kept separate. Combine them all in one pail and you're at risk of being tagged. The intent with this was to stop one or two guys from keeping over their limit, saying the fish are for everyone in their group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 I agree with Craig_Ritchie three guys can`t just fish till they reach 150 fish the MNR saw it as party fishing all the cop had to do is say how many did you catch each and if their 3 numbers didn`t add up to the exact amount of fish in the bucket, then they are breaking the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greencoachdog Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's not hard to keep fish separate even in a communal bucket or ice chest. Each person can have their own different colored cheap poly stringer, or a simple paper punch can be taken along. No hole in that tail for mine, one hole for yours, and 2 holes for someone elses. We do it all the time on deep sea fishing "party" boats... all it takes it just a moment of preplanning. Attitude has a lot to do with the way you're treated when being stopped by a CO or police officer!!! If you're polite and respectful, most of the time they will be too... if you're going to be an , they'll be an even bigger ! It's not really that hard to figure out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 If I was a CO I'd try to stay clear of three guys prancing into shore all holding the same bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 If I was a CO I'd try to stay clear of three guys prancing into shore all holding the same bucket. Especially if it's Dano, Terry and Lloyd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoz Posted April 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Prancing . . . . . or mincing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAsin Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) . Edited April 5, 2009 by BassAsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Especially if it's Dano, Terry and Lloyd... them there is fighting words everyone knows all the fish are Lloyds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGNUT Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Probably not so much a possession issue as a "party fishing" issue. Forget exactly where it is, but look through the regs and you'll find some commentary on this. Long story short, each individual's limit needs to be kept separate. Combine them all in one pail and you're at risk of being tagged. The intent with this was to stop one or two guys from keeping over their limit, saying the fish are for everyone in their group. So would this apply to a boat? I only have one livewell in my boat and what if myself and 2 other fisherman are fishing for walleyes for example ,I can only keep my fish in the livewell and my buddies have to use there own indavidual stringer or pail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCTFisher9120 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 The CO's would be writing up tickets all day if they went to that causeway at Lake Scugog....to many times have i seen pails full of 6-12" bass like i mean 10-15 per container along with sunfish and perch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin joe Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 So would this apply to a boat? I only have one livewell in my boat and what if myself and 2 other fisherman are fishing for walleyes for example ,I can only keep my fish in the livewell and my buddies have to use there own indavidual stringer or pail? I'd be interested in finding the answer to this one as well. I fish for salmon every year on a charter boat and we all catch a few fish. I'd like to think we're doing the right thing as far as being within our limit, should we be using different colored tags?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cudz Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 So would this apply to a boat? I only have one livewell in my boat and what if myself and 2 other fisherman are fishing for walleyes for example ,I can only keep my fish in the livewell and my buddies have to use there own indavidual stringer or pail? So how about this scenario? I am in a bass tournament with a co-angler. We are going to weigh in our 5 biggest fish. We have caught 8 between us and now we decide to cull the 3 smallest. As we are culling the CO arrives and asks how many bass I have in my livewell (keep in mind that I have but one livewell in my boat). I tell him we have eight. We both have sport fishing licenses and I have caught 5 bass and my partner has caught 3. Nothing illegal has happened but it is similar to the bucket. I can't prove that I didn't catch all 8 and because it is my boat and my livewell am I going to be charged? I don't think this charge would stand in court. I find that hard to believe. I do my best to stay within the law when I am out fishing and I truly do not believe that I would have commited a wrong if I were to do what was written in my above scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 If the fish are all in one container, you gotta be able to tell which ones are yours. You can't fish off of somebody elses limit. We have teased each other about that for years. When I got my 5, I would put my rod down, put my feet up and say...well, I'm done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigdritchie Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 So would this apply to a boat? I only have one livewell in my boat and what if myself and 2 other fisherman are fishing for walleyes for example ,I can only keep my fish in the livewell and my buddies have to use there own indavidual stringer or pail? In theory, yes, you need to be able to tell who belongs to which fish whether you're using a livewell or a fish box or a cooler or whatever. In reality, I've never had a CO ask. I guess it depends whether or not he/she feels party fishing is taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 If there are 3 guys in a boat, the limit is 5 each, and you have 14 fish, does anybody actually stop fishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishfield Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 If there are 3 guys in a boat, the limit is 5 each, and you have 14 fish, does anybody actually stop fishing? No because the 15th might be REALLY tasty ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dara Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I just thought after I posted that...nothing illegal about catch and release after you have a limit is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGNUT Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 If the fish are all in one container, you gotta be able to tell which ones are yours.You can't fish off of somebody elses limit. We have teased each other about that for years. When I got my 5, I would put my rod down, put my feet up and say...well, I'm done I dont want to turn this into a EATEM UP CHRONZEY debate and have the thread locked out but I have heard him mention keeping fish and using extra rods based on the licensed camera man in the boat .There is no mention of him fishing since he is working the camera yet they have his allowed 2 rods out while trolling Lake Ontario for example and account for his allowed daily limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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