Covid is Over

[SirCranksalot]

There are alternatives to doing stupid stuff----My post above in an example of how people can get out and enjoy the sunshine and fresh air, get some exercise, spend time with family or friends and be quite safe. It just takes a bit of forethought and consideration of the  effect your behaviour  may have on others. OR do you see your role in life is just to serve as a bad example??

[AKRISONER]

Thats exactly the point. I totally understand people’s need to go outside...I think as fisherman we alllll get that one.

but thinking about how to do so safely is what was missed. This was on another level. Not just being unsafe, but specifically piling in on each other for the purpose of being in a party atmosphere.

such strange stupid ignorant behavior from a surprisingly large group of people.

[SirCranksalot]

Yup---a big outbreak of assholitus!! 

 

[Headhunter]

My neighbours with young kids, under 10, have pretty much told me that they are done with this social distancing thing as their kids are driving them crazy. They have been interacting together for a couple of weeks now... we stay away from them!

The knuckle heads at Bellwood are probably just like my neighbours, tired of being locked up in their million dollar condos waiting for the weather to get better. Their phones probably told them is was ok to do pretty much anything they want.

RE businesses returning to normal... well, I can't help but think that companies are going to look at the costs associated with a large office presence and decide to close up offices and have a remote staff working from their homes. If there is one thing that C19 has taught us is that employees can be highly effective working from home. Why pay the high price of square footage is down town T.O.?

Some of my clients have historically shunned staff working from home, C19 has changed that for good.

To quote one of my favorite comedians, "You can't fix stupid"

HH

[SirCranksalot]

The home office trend started a couple of decades ago. Some(all?) of the sales reps that I dealt with at work had lost their office space by about 2000. My youngest is in the computer business and was working for a Co.in NYC while living in TO.  This will certainly accelerate that trend.  I could quote you more examples that I know personally . More companies need to think outside the 'office box' if they are to survive. 

 

 

[AKRISONER]

I actually specifically clued into the “work from home movement” about 5 years ago when I saw a couple of Toronto’s biggest auditing firms move entirely to a hotelling based structure. 
 

Deloitte built an entire 40+ story office tower down near Bay Street within the last 6 years which literally does not have a single permanent office space in it. Every space is “bookable” for people to come in and have meetings or work if needed.

The major group insurance firms in toronto have also closed their offices or removed entire floors within the last 2 years. They have forced their employees into working from home at least 3 days a week.

all things considered the concept of commuting to a desk job is perhaps the biggest waste of time, money/resources and carbon emissions probably in existence in North America. Generally speaking, anything that is wasteful specifically monetarily is cut off once a solution is available. 

I thought it would take another 10-20 years for the boomer generation to totally retire before this movement really took off. Quite literally looking at the office I work at, the teams with older management want their employees in the office every day. Looking at their work habbits they are also the same people that use a pen and paper to take notes, keep a lot of files hanging around and will have meetings about things that could simply just be emailed. You can’t blame the guys this is just how things were done their entire careers.

You wouldn’t want to be in the office printer industry either, paper is inherently very hard to “secure”, expensive and just outright wasteful/polluting.

 I’ve already been looking into “satalite” city based real-estate and looking at places like collingwood I think you can see the movement has already started. 
 

heck even living in parry sound, you are only 2.5 hours from the city, that’s not a bad commute to do once a week for a meeting if the real estate prices are pennies on the dollar compared to toronto.

my company sent out an email on Friday with a survey outright asking “we are working very well from home, would you continue to do so even after the pandemic”

just as mentioned above, I think management is taking notes and realizing the immediate cost savings of reducing toronto based office leases. 
 

this is a great thing for the environment and people’s mental health. Going to be a it on the oil and automotive industries! Cheap gas for everyone though!

[Hack_Fisherman]

15 hours ago, zenon11 said:

You could make the same argument about going to Home Depot and going to the park. Is your renovation essential? In all likely hood it could have waited until this wall over. You can’t say people can’t be locked up for much longer and criticize people for going to the park. There was no line up to get in (I assume I wasn’t there) but do you think Home Depot would be any less of a zoo if they didn’t force people to line up? It just seems hypocritical to criticize these people for spending time outside for when your renovation project and trips to hardware stores are probably not necessary 

 Well I appreciate your thoughts. But have you ever lived in a full home renovation along with a wife who doesn’t enjoy camping let alone living in a construction zone?  This is a major renovation. not some decorating  outdoor aesthetic project because I’m bored. It’s been ongoing for almost 6 months it’s not taking me another six. It gets done. Now. Not if and when it blows over sometime later this year or next. 

 Everybody has their opinion but my opinion is that we can do this with careful precautions.  Standing 6 feet apart at 7 AM in the morning on a Sunday, wearing a mask and sanitizing often, is Very very low risk.  I did my part to protect myself and others around me.  I don’t feel like it’s in any way shape or form like the people in the park. 

[Ronzo]

At the end of the day, it's just going to be what it's going to be. I live across the road from a police officer and his family (three kids between 10 and 14). Their house has been the local hub of activity for neighbourhood kids (not mine!) since mid April. Past three weeks have been business-as-usual, kids coming and going all day long, adult friends in and out. The sad thing is, that psychologically opened the door for everyone else in the neighbourhood to go and do the same thing. Next door neighbour? People over every day. Other side neighbour? He has a couple visitors that come and go. Backyard neighbours? Yeah, they're partying with people too. Meanwhile, I'm here with my three younger kids just keeping our heads down and letting it play out how it will. My Dad (70) had to drive to Barrie a couple weeks back, so he stopped by to say hello. We kept social distance, didn't even shake hands. You're either going to take it seriously or you're not, and let's hope that if you're not, that you're not going to **** us all over.

Regarding working from home, been doing that for the better part of a decade now. The chance to watch my kids grow up, be around for all events, and not deal with the stress and expense of commuting is the best.

[SirCranksalot]

10 hours ago, Hack_Fisherman said:

 Everybody has their opinion but my opinion is that we can do this with careful precautions.  Standing 6 feet apart at 7 AM in the morning on a Sunday, wearing a mask and sanitizing often, is Very very low risk.  I did my part to protect myself and others around me.  I don’t feel like it’s in any way shape or form like the people in the park. 

Exactly---there are quite safe ways of doing things and there  are dumbass, reckless and inconsiderate ways of doing things. Sort of like driving a car----we don't all need to stay off the roads just because there are a few dipshetz out there. What we need is enforcement just as the traffic cops enforce the law. A couple of cops with a ticket book busily writing would have smartened those people up really quick-----no need for this media frooferaww and political crud.

 

 

[zenon11]

10 hours ago, Hack_Fisherman said:

 Well I appreciate your thoughts. But have you ever lived in a full home renovation along with a wife who doesn’t enjoy camping let alone living in a construction zone?  This is a major renovation. not some decorating  outdoor aesthetic project because I’m bored. It’s been ongoing for almost 6 months it’s not taking me another six. It gets done. Now. Not if and when it blows over sometime later this year or next. 

 Everybody has their opinion but my opinion is that we can do this with careful precautions.  Standing 6 feet apart at 7 AM in the morning on a Sunday, wearing a mask and sanitizing often, is Very very low risk.  I did my part to protect myself and others around me.  I don’t feel like it’s in any way shape or form like the people in the park. 

I’ll agree that you’re right about the level of risk being far less because you actually took some precautions, my point was just to give more consideration to people who live without yards and physical space (indoor and outdoor). You don’t want to live in a renovation, they didn’t want to be stuck in a 400 square foot apartment they share with roommates. None of that is good for anyone’s health. There aren’t many outdoor spaces in downtown Toronto, so I’m not surprised it filled up like it did on a nice day. Should the cops have enforced the distancing and made people stay apart? Absolutely. But crapping on people because they wanted to go outside and get some air after two months inside is totally unfair in my book. 

[Fisherman]

2 hours ago, Ronzo said:

At the end of the day, it's just going to be what it's going to be. I live across the road from a police officer and his family (three kids between 10 and 14). Their house has been the local hub of activity for neighbourhood kids (not mine!) since mid April. Past three weeks have been business-as-usual, kids coming and going all day long, adult friends in and out. The sad thing is, that psychologically opened the door for everyone else in the neighbourhood to go and do the same thing. Next door neighbour? People over every day. Other side neighbour? He has a couple visitors that come and go. Backyard neighbours? Yeah, they're partying with people too. Meanwhile, I'm here with my three younger kids just keeping our heads down and letting it play out how it will. My Dad (70) had to drive to Barrie a couple weeks back, so he stopped by to say hello. We kept social distance, didn't even shake hands. You're either going to take it seriously or you're not, and let's hope that if you're not, that you're not going to **** us all over.

Regarding working from home, been doing that for the better part of a decade now. The chance to watch my kids grow up, be around for all events, and not deal with the stress and expense of commuting is the best.

I know what you mean, I have a younger couple next door that works at a kitchen cabinet place, of course every weekend there are different people over that stay the night, sometimes the whole weekend, sitting around the fire and not even 2 feet apart.  Complete nitwits when it comes to keeping the distance.

[fish_fishburn]

The name callers are a big problem with society today. If you dont agree with them they call you names. Why, because that is all they are capable of. I suggest that people try some critical thinking if they even know what that means now a days. This is what happens when you dumb down society so much that we are left with genetically mature children can't cope. We need more adults.

[SirCranksalot]

   Here is what 1 doctor had to say about the T-Bellwoods Park fiasco. Time to show a bit more respect to those medical and other personnel who are on the front line!!

--------------     “My heart is torn,” said Dr. Abdu Sharkawy, an infectious disease specialist and ICU doctor at Toronto Western Hospital, who recorded an emotional plea Saturday from the hospital, where he was working ,,,,,,,. He has been caring for very sick COVID-19 patients for a month.

“I saw a visual representation of an ‘I don’t give a f---’ attitude, of ‘It’s not my problem.’ I understand how people can have a sense of relief. I want people to have a sense of release, paired with an understanding that this is not done. That’s what gives me trouble here. That’s what makes it difficult for me to go to bed at night. It’s the fact that I don’t think enough people understand that.

[Hack_Fisherman]

8 hours ago, zenon11 said:

I’ll agree that you’re right about the level of risk being far less because you actually took some precautions, my point was just to give more consideration to people who live without yards and physical space (indoor and outdoor). You don’t want to live in a renovation, they didn’t want to be stuck in a 400 square foot apartment they share with roommates. None of that is good for anyone’s health. There aren’t many outdoor spaces in downtown Toronto, so I’m not surprised it filled up like it did on a nice day. Should the cops have enforced the distancing and made people stay apart? Absolutely. But crapping on people because they wanted to go outside and get some air after two months inside is totally unfair in my book. 

 

8 hours ago, zenon11 said:

I’ll agree that you’re right about the level of risk being far less because you actually took some precautions, my point was just to give more consideration to people who live without yards and physical space (indoor and outdoor). You don’t want to live in a renovation, they didn’t want to be stuck in a 400 square foot apartment they share with roommates. None of that is good for anyone’s health. There aren’t many outdoor spaces in downtown Toronto, so I’m not surprised it filled up like it did on a nice day. Should the cops have enforced the distancing and made people stay apart? Absolutely. But crapping on people because they wanted to go outside and get some air after two months inside is totally unfair in my book. 

 

Sometimes it takes another to point out how the other half live. So true that small apartment living during a lockdown would be exceptionally difficult. I am fortunate to have outdoor space and different indoor zones to move about in. 

My “covidiot” comment was not directed at people in general, but rather the large group of people willfully breaking the safety guidelines given to us.