New and improved gun registry? NO!

[Steve]

its not a high horse, we are a minority on this board.

 

we often sit and wonder how decisions get made, how governments get in with majority, etc, etc, etc.

 

I work with all walks of life, and see the big picture.

 

Very few on this board want to hear, or understand, how government decisions are made, but they are made to appease the majority of their constituents.

 

In the case of gun control, decisions made will not be considering the "minority" of this board, rather the majority of the country.

 

I'm able to put aside my personal feels when trying to understand decisions made by the government. However, reading many threads on this board, it is clear many are not.

 

Again, comparing a boat to a gun, for the purpose of the end result, death, is a weak comparison.

[manitoubass2]

its not a high horse, we are a minority on this board.

 

we often sit and wonder how decisions get made, how governments get in with majority, etc, etc, etc.

 

I work with all walks of life, and see the big picture.

 

Very few on this board want to hear, or understand, how government decisions are made, but they are made to appease the majority of their constituents.

 

In the case of gun control, decisions made will not be considering the "minority" of this board, rather the majority of the country.

 

I'm able to put aside my personal feels when trying to understand decisions made by the government. However, reading many threads on this board, it is clear many are not.

 

Again, comparing a boat to a gun, for the purpose of the end result, death, is a weak comparison.

Your showing your ignorance with a bright light.

 

The government DOES NOT appeal to the vast majority.

 

It appeals to a corperate/goverment agenda.

 

Thats why we, as Canadians, DO NOT vote on laws passed, only parties at election time.

 

If what you were saying was indeed true, we would all vote on issues and laws being considered.

 

Instead, we are left to write letters/emails to are consituents showing our support or dismay of said legislature.

 

And again, it was a mere example. You got the point. So it WAS effective in conveying my point.

 

Perhaps I should have used compound bows instead??? Would that float your murderous boat???

Edited October 24, 2015 by manitoubass2

[Steve]

it would have been a better comparison than a murderous boat, lol :)

 

when you are a minority, it feels like the government does not appeal to the vast majority.

 

but as the government, your entire existence is to appease the majority of your constituents...every decision they make is based on that principal.

 

we cannot vote on issues and laws being considered on an individual basis. No decision would ever get made if that was allowed.

Instead we vote on a government that will make the decisions that we "mostly" will agree closely with. And the government will put into law rules that "most" of their constituents will agree with.

 

that is how the electoral system works....whether we agree with it, or not.

[Mister G]

its not a high horse, we are a minority on this board.

 

we often sit and wonder how decisions get made, how governments get in with majority, etc, etc, etc.

 

I work with all walks of life, and see the big picture.

 

Very few on this board want to hear, or understand, how government decisions are made, but they are made to appease the majority of their constituents.

 

In the case of gun control, decisions made will not be considering the "minority" of this board, rather the majority of the country.

 

I'm able to put aside my personal feels when trying to understand decisions made by the government. However, reading many threads on this board, it is clear many are not.

 

Again, comparing a boat to a gun, for the purpose of the end result, death, is a weak comparison.

You keep repeating that the new government "heads" have been voted in by the "majority" and if they want to take away whatever, in this case guns then so be it.

 

Let me tell you, ALL government heads are in office to represent all the citizens not just those who voted for them. Are the citizens who did not vote for them now except to pay their taxes......of course not, because they too are expected to be represented by whom ever is now in office.

 

If what you keep repeating was true then the government heads that take office decide to run all minorities out of the country, so be it ? ? ?

 

Policy now will lean left instead of right but that doesn't mean the left can run slip shot all over the country.

Edited October 24, 2015 by Mister G

[manitoubass2]

it would have been a better comparison than a murderous boat, lol :)

 

when you are a minority, it feels like the government does not appeal to the vast majority.

 

but as the government, your entire existence is to appease the majority of your constituents...every decision they make is based on that principal.

 

we cannot vote on issues and laws being considered on an individual basis. No decision would ever get made if that was allowed.

Instead we vote on a government that will make the decisions that we "mostly" will agree closely with. And the government will put into law rules that "most" of their constituents will agree with.

 

that is how the electoral system works....whether we agree with it, or not.

Your in a dream world if you believe thats how our government actually works.

 

That is the idea, yes. But it is not reality.

 

And you should know this(being in the field your in)

 

I've got my experience in a similar field(as we chatted briefly about)

 

In those fields, what matters?

 

It sure as heck isnt majorities or minorities.

 

Its corperatism(a real nice blend of socialism/fascism/democracy/marxism etc)

 

Whatever suites the need of the day.

 

Any country that wants guns, and any government that wants to take them away, is a fine blend of realizing political dissedence, and the people not truly believing in the governing body

Edited October 24, 2015 by manitoubass2

[Steve]

you are very correct. when dealing with private indu$try, majorities, minorities, etc don't play much at all into decision making.

 

in the private industry, money talks, all else walks. but with discussing governmental decisions, money is only a part of the decision making equation.

 

your final point, "any country that wants guns" --- you have to remember, as much as it kills you to read this, the majority of this country do not want guns without gun control ... heck I agree, guns should be allowed for hunting --- 100%. But the majority of this country want to feel safe...even if that means gun control.

 

MB, you are very correct in that dealing with governmental organizations and the decisions made by governments are done much differently than dealing with private industry, as the motivation is quite different.....but sometimes when dealing with governmental organizations, learning how to work with them, and not against them, will increase the chances of getting your intended results.

Edited October 24, 2015 by Steve

[manitoubass2]

It doesnt kill me to hear that.

 

The vast majority live in cities and have zero use of long guns, but its their utter ignorance that leads them from believing in our rights to legally obtain them.

 

They'de cry a different tune in the 1940's, that I promise.

 

The majority is corperate, and they tow the line nicely?

[Steve]

but it isn't the 1940's.

 

and I'm not sure the majority this time is corporate....traditionally corporate is conservative.

 

EVERYONE who I worked with was voting harper...I believe I was the single liberal voter in our office.

 

This time the majority is the people who fought against corporate...because for the last 10 years we saw the results of corporate.

 

The people of Canada decided it was time for change....and in a majority manner. (truthfully, I wouldn't have bet a single dollar that JT was getting a majority...that really surprised me....and made me PROUD)

[manitoubass2]

My point is that the newer age no longer understands, nor recognizes the importance.

 

Take 10 people from each major city hunting or fishing, and at least 8 of them have no idea what is happening.

 

I know, in my previous position Ive done this.

 

As a country and corperatism, we've STRETCHED our roots.

 

Half of Canada cant even start a fire without gas lol.

 

I mentioned the 40's because we had real values and skills then. My how times have changed.

 

Now most of us sit at a desk, we are just numbers, expected to create green numbers.

 

No skills(other then professional liars)

 

Thats the majority.

 

The minority is hard working folk, skilled in trades, experiences anglers, farmers, hunters etc

 

We dont sit in corperate seats at the bluejays game, but without us there is no economy and no Canada

 

We've bred weak, inept people incapable of logical thought, any real skills, any real work ethic.

 

This is the saddest generation our country has ever know.

 

We have rich and poor, little middle class.

 

We tow the line to the agendas to the money machine.

 

Even our banking system is corrupt as ....

 

Minority, majority, whatever.

 

Look at the world state and our place in NATO.

 

You'll wish we all had guns should tensions rise with Russia, or sanctions come from the US as we pull out of a war with the ragheaded british boogieman

 

End rant...

Edited October 24, 2015 by manitoubass2

[Steve]

That was a good, fair rant.

 

Just remember, the skills that may have been required in the 1940's don't necessarily translate to today's world.

 

Today's skills are not that of 1940's skills. Those who are successful today have a skill set different than that of a successful person in the 1940's.

 

Being able to start a fire in this day in age is not a skill.

 

I don't believe this is the saddest generation our country has ever come to know.

 

But I understand others may think that is the case.

 

Again, good rant

[Beavertail]

Am I missing something here? Are the gun crimes in this country so out of control to warrant drastic changes? I personally have never been involved in one, or know anyone who has. I feel very safe walking down the streets and living in my community. I tell you what though, I'm sure everyone knows at least one person who has been affected by a traffic accident, possibly caused by drinking and driving or just as bad now - texting. What about heart disease, obesity, smoking and how terrible our diets are these days with all the fast food available 24 hours a day. I know it's easy to single out gun control, and it gives some voters a false sense of security but people make so many poor choices DAILY that are a far greater risk to their lives than worrying about getting gunned down.

[manitoubass2]

Now I got that off my chest, whens our fishing trip??

[2 tone z71]

Come take our guns ...watch what happens next

[Steve]

MB, I truly love hearing your rants. I picture two people, (you and myself), who come from very different backgrounds, trying to understand each other better. We are both opinionated - certainly. But I believe we are both civil.

 

Tell you what, I'll get on that next solar project being constructed in your area, and I'll order an inspection in which I will attend.

 

We can discuss this further over a nice glass of single malt

 

I bet we could set up a webcam and folks on this board could have a laugh over our "discussions" ... :)

[2 tone z71]

The same that want the guns gone,are the same dang idiots that want the spring bear hunt cancelled etc ..they will be sitting there with the same stupid look on there face if crap ever did hit the fan and they can't protect themselves or there family's..bunch of Blue sky ,rainbow chasing communist dang idiots

[manitoubass2]

MB, I truly love hearing your rants. I picture two people, (you and myself), who come from very different backgrounds, trying to understand each other better. We are both opinionated - certainly. But I believe we are both civil.

 

Tell you what, I'll get on that next solar project being constructed in your area, and I'll order an inspection in which I will attend.

 

We can discuss this further over a nice glass of single malt

 

I bet we could set up a webcam and folks on this board could have a laugh over our "discussions" ... :)

Totally?

 

Its just good discussion and I hope other members realize that.

 

Without good discussion people go lame.

 

I think our dialects prove good points both ways

 

And as always, Im sure we would have an absolute blast at work, or fishing or whatever.

 

Maybe we can get a gopro sponsorship to record the convos lol

Edited October 24, 2015 by manitoubass2

[porkpie]

 

 

What the government decides is not a "moot point" for those who chose to follow the law. But for those who don't, or feel the law doesn't apply to them, then yes, it would be a moot point. Responsible humans understand they have to comply with law.

 

I know we don't all agree with all laws, but the idea of law is to follow it.

 

Are all laws followed - of course not....but to say what a government decides is "literally" a moot point....again, only for those who chose not to follow the law that governs the country they live in.

 

Marihuana is illegal. Your argument is invalid due to your own post history.

[manitoubass2]

Marihuana is illegal. Your argument is invalid due to your own post history.

Lol

[John Bacon]

 

 

and I'm not sure the majority this time is corporate....traditionally corporate is conservative.

 

 

 

I disagree. The LIberals tend to do better in cities where there are more corporations. The Conservatives do better in more rural areas where there are fewer corporations.

 

When corporations were allowed to make political donations to the federal parties, the bulk of their donations were to the Liberals. That is one of the reasons the Liberals had to adjust to the new donation rules; they no longer received corporate donations. At the provincial level where corporations are still allowed to make donations; they donate mostly to the Liberals.

[Dara]

its not a high horse, we are a minority on this board.

 

we often sit and wonder how decisions get made, how governments get in with majority, etc, etc, etc.

 

I work with all walks of life, and see the big picture.

 

Very few on this board want to hear, or understand, how government decisions are made, but they are made to appease the majority of their constituents.

 

In the case of gun control, decisions made will not be considering the "minority" of this board, rather the majority of the country.

 

I'm able to put aside my personal feels when trying to understand decisions made by the government. However, reading many threads on this board, it is clear many are not.

 

Again, comparing a boat to a gun, for the purpose of the end result, death, is a weak comparison.

Of course its weak, boats are registered, guns are not, so therefore, a boat can't kill somebody, well, unless its under 10 hp and isn't registered...then its lethal

 

PS, Justin only gor 39% of the vote, so no majority...

[GbayGiant]

all fire arms, long and short, are registered!

[Beavertail]

all fire arms, long and short, are registered!

Bring back the registry, great idea!!

[GbayGiant]

All legal long guns are registered at time of purchase!

All legal short guns are and have been registered each time they are sold, for as long as I can remember and you need to be part of a club to transport it, to and from!

 

Gun control

 

 

 

Illegal guns ?

[Beavertail]

All legal long guns are registered at time of purchase!

 

You're referring to the store records/bill of sale?

[Dara]

For the record here, all legal gun owners are registered.

 

To legally have a gun in your possesion you must have a firearms permit.

To get this you must first take a safety course, then you must pass a test of competency.

Then you must apply for a permit and attach professional references to the application. Your spouse if you have one must also sign this application saying that she is not intimidated or scared of you having a gun.

 

After this application is reviewed and approved you will recieve a permit to own long guns of a type approved by government.

 

Registration of firearms is the government also demanding that you supply a list of serial numbers of every gun you own.

This is a very expensive proposition (3 billion dollar startup last time they tried it even though they claimed it would only be 1 million)

The Police Cheifs association claims to like this registry but I don't know any actual police officers that care for it.

 

If you have a firearms permit the Police can automatically assume you have firearms. After all, you don't go through all the hassle and expense to get a permit to not have a gun.

 

There may be an argument to have a list of all serial numbers from the people that have permits, but in my opinion the cost outweighs the benefit.

 

Criminals do not have permits and they will not be registering any guns