manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 So today a train derails. "Unnamed chemicals" in the cars damaged. Local towns being evacuated now, possibly others in the next few hours. Release the info so we know what it is "A 1km radius is safe" Oh yeah, how do you know that CN if it's "unnamed chemicals"? Release the info tools, you can't transport chemicals without identification for crying out loud. Unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Geez, call CN, "sorry, we cant release the information of the chemicals spilled". Unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Well wait on the news and be prepaired to evac my friends and family in RRFN just in case. None of us first responders got called, but other communities did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Call the Ministry Of the Environment, they should have all the information you need, they would have to be called in for any kind of a chemical spill. If you are still having a problem after trying that, let me know, a close friend is an enforcement officer for them and she might be able to help. Phone me if you need to: Cell 705-928-8899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 Footer Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Many of CN tracks are very busy and the trains are now 100 cars or longer. With the increased rail traffic it looks like derailments will continue to happen. Edited July 11, 2015 by 16Footer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatnFly Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 CN will know exactly what chemical is in those cars, and those that need to know, know, those don't like the media and general public, don't. Kind of like the NHL with injuries, oh its an upper/lower body injury, no specifics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 So a chemical spill in front of your house but you don't need to know what it is. How's the water. It's ok too. Nothing to see here move along. I trust them not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Caster Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Canutec, ministry of environment, ministry of labor, environment Canada, MNR, transport Canada, all agencies that might have info. They may also stay tight-lipped based on my experience will large spills. wasn't there just a law passed stating that the rail companies had to inform the township/municipality when they carry hazardous materials through? Get your council or whatever your local government is, to request and share that information, for now and the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr blizzard Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Rick in situations like this they have often shown to be very slow in advising the public of what is going on, not every time but many, obviously you are concerned for your loved ones and their well being, take Big Cliffs advice, if this happened in the GTA for example things would be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Well apperently the highway is back open But local evac is still on. Just to clarify I am not in the evac zone im about 15 minutes away, BUT this spill is 3 minutes away from my family in RRFN and right in my friends town in Barwick. Obviously I am concerned because these are "oil style" cars, look at the pic. It oil/gas or a chemical. I will be making more phone calls today after getting even more upset after this post. We were having a fire and at about 11pm emergency equipment started coming through WITHOUT SETTING OFF the gates at the railway/road crossing in front of our house! That could easily kill people as that crossway sees a fair bit of traffic, especially when the road closure re routed traffic down that road! Edited July 11, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Sweet. Now its on fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Apperently its butane(not a credible sourse) more credible source says deisel fuel. Ministry of enviroment connot be reached at the time Big Cliff Edited July 11, 2015 by manitoubass2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Will ask my friend if she can do anything. If it was Ontario there would be no problem, not sure if she can cross the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just sent her a text, will see if she can help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thanks Cliff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Cliff Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Sorry, she did try but because it is not in her area she can't get any information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thanks for trying! Darn I wish I could share the videos One thing strikes me as very odd. Now they are saying its a soy based diesel fuel(thats combustable not flammable) But in my work with diesel, why can we not smell it? Diesel has a heavy odour in my experience Anyhow, disaster for sure. But im sure glad it doesnt contain H2S or it isnt chlorine or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 Another pic during evacuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted July 11, 2015 Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 The crash was last night and the fire started this afternoon? Seems odd. I may be wrong, but I thought diesel was hard to ignite. It does look like heavy smoke from diesel though. Even if CN released info, I still wouldn't trust they were telling the truth or the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 The crash was last night and the fire started this afternoon? Seems odd. I may be wrong, but I thought diesel was hard to ignite. It does look like heavy smoke from diesel though. Even if CN released info, I still wouldn't trust they were telling the truth or the whole story. Exactly where I stand on this Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLINKER Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 They can't release any information because of all the terrorist. No kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spincast Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 its not butane. I can assure you of that, because the rail car is still where it fell of the tracks instead of 1/2 a km away. Looking at the smoke - incomplete combustion of a petro-chemical. Not in any way making any kind of assumption or accusation - and Chad is much better qualified than I to pass comment - but I cant help but wonder what the implications are financially between a spill that has "burned off" compared to one that leaks into a watershed? The delay in fire as compared to time of impact does make one wonder? Funny how a few decades ago Mississauga got recognized and recieved international accolades for being proactive in a evacuation over a spill and everyone won, yet now the response to these situations doesn't follow this model? Hope everything is Ok for you and your family Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Chad would know better, but it looks like an intentional burn off to avoid costly remediation. Hopefully you're upwind Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manitoubass2 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 The train derailment was at 5pm yesterday. It was not on fire until today around 1130 ish Looks very fishy(nf) to me. Local fire fighting volunteers told it was diesel and a controlled burn and all was safe. The fire is now out as im told by residents. No clue as to what the damage is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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