misfish Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Three years and 9 days ,( give or take a month or 2) . I did away with the spinning reel on the long rod,and replaced it with a float reel. As I started to type this,I started laughing at myself. (why I dont laugh at those that are first timers, I know they will go through their own trials and tribulations) I thought it would be so easy. Just head out and start fishing. Pull on the line,whipping the rod bobs your uncle. NOT My first outing was late fall,well more like December,-15. Reels full of braid. Not sure where I read to use braid,but hey.I was stoked about getting out with my first set up,I didnt care. I was warned,but who are you to tell me. Ok,lesson was learned fast. 15 minutes in and Im all iced up. Braid was full of ice and I was frozen and pissed off. Nice start to pinning eh After a few outings,in more favorable weather and watching a fella for an hour and having Bill M make a trip down with me,I got the hang of the side cast. I was very happy I was able to float my way to catch some fish. Still remember my first. I got line twists alot though and had discussions on how to prevent this. The Wallis cast was mentioned. So I did some youtube searching.The swivel suggestion came up as well and I went with that.( wallis cast looked a bit confusing to me) I found this triple barrel swivel,it worked, for awhile. I was getting no line twist , but after a few outings,it was back. I tried on many occasions to give the wallis cast a try. I just couldnt get it. Maybe I was in a rush to get the hang of it. I knew it was all about timing. I had the past 9 days to fish. I said to myself,you are going to get this. I tried and tried,but I just couldnt get it. Day 3 I was getting there. Well sorta. Day 4 better,but not there yet.Day 5 and 6,pretty much there but just not natural yet. Then came the 7th day. Lucky 7 . I slowed myself down and just let it happen. Light pull,hand to the side and the line flowed. Reel in and do it again. Same result. Timing and not thinking about it was the key. I caught myself doing a side cast the odd time. I would quickly reel up the line and re cast.Need to get that out of my head. The Wallis cast. Yes I conquered it. This may not seem like a historic completion to some,but it,s a hell of a great feeling to this old dog that learned a new trick.Finally. I dont give lessons. Edited November 9, 2014 by Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I noticed, I will never learn it or the other pin cast you made it look easy of course I would never turn the camera on when you catch a tree but some would just saying lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 WTG Brian,no where close here but I'm ok with that,now we have a teacher,things may speed up quicker?? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketchenany Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Good going Brian! Practice makes it perfect! And to boot when you were doing it you weren't thinking about smoking. Two great achievements in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okumasheffield Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Welcome to the Wallis Club - Free of line twist for the rest of Steelheader's life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Welcome to the Wallis Club - Free of line twist for the rest of Steelheader's life! This is also solved with a swivel above your float. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketchenany Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is also solved with a swivel above your float. you Sir could make money teaching on the rivers! Not that you would charge a tangled fellow, but helping with gas would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosebunk Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Watchoo talkin' 'bout Wallis ??!!!! Edited November 10, 2014 by Moosebunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okumasheffield Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Have tried it before but never worked for me. Wonder if a ball-bearing swivel is required to get the job done or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is also solved with a swivel above your float. Ya just what I need,another breaking point.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Have tried it before but never worked for me. Wonder if a ball-bearing swivel is required to get the job done or not I use the same XXXS Raven swivels I do from shot > leader. No issues here. Braid also cuts down on the line twist as well, although you always get a bit (But nothing like running mono) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaque Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Nice.......be sure to follow up in 6 weeks when youve got a pair of fingerless woolies on and your tip guide is freezing up and your sucking ice off your mainline The side cast.........Youll be back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I use the same XXXS Raven swivels I do from shot > leader. No issues here. Braid also cuts down on the line twist as well, although you always get a bit (But nothing like running mono) Not a question about the swivel but the knots, no matter how good you are at tying you'll mess one up eventually, your rig then has five knots, seems a lot simpler to wallis if you ask me. Congrats Brian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Not a question about the swivel but the knots, no matter how good you are at tying you'll mess one up eventually, your rig then has five knots, seems a lot simpler to wallis if you ask me. Congrats Brian! You'll mess one up eventually if you're only tying 3... It makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 You'll mess one up eventually if you're only tying 3... It makes no difference. 3....? Nah! Two knots, one at the hook and one at the leader to main line. I subscribe to the KISS theory and it's worked for 40 years . Oh and congrats Brian, another technique in your arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey buoy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I don't wallis,but the hook,and after the leader a swivel.That's two for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopheraaron Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 3....? Nah! Two knots, one at the hook and one at the leader to main line. I subscribe to the KISS theory and it's worked for 40 years . Oh and congrats Brian, another technique in your arsenal. You got it! No swivel for me, main to leader with a blood knot then to the hook, no need for anything more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Im weening of the swivel next. . Chris,,,,,,,,,,,,KISS,,,,,,,,,,,,,Rock band????????????? Thanks fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I noticed, I will never learn it or the other pin cast you made it look easy of course I would never turn the camera on when you catch a tree but some would just saying lol Now where did I put that video,,,, Hey you sir, are a trooper at 60 yoa. Edited November 10, 2014 by Brian B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hey. Age don't make any difference. And I am pretty sure I am only 50 or so. Some mornings I'm 18 And it still doesn't. Help me cast that silly pin. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJL Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Congrats Brian. Another tool to add to the arsenal. In terms of line twist, keep in mind that line twist can also be introduced to the line when retrieving fixed floats against the current (especially on long hero drifts) As for swivels, I use them. For years I used to use blood knots or triple surgeons knots for my leader to mainline connection. I got tired of having to slide up my floats and shots every time I snagged up so I could get enough tag end to make the knots (potentially fraying the line by doing so by sliding up the shots). I also found results similar to this (scroll down to the knot shootout): http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/gear-review/tippet-shootout-seaguar-grandmax-trouthunter-orvis-mirage-riopowerflex-pline-dairiki-varivas-sa-climax-maxima-froghair-stoft-umpqua I've done away with micro swivels and instead use larger ball bearing swivels for my leader to mainline connection. The bigger swivels have larger rings to tie knots to which makes tying knots in the dark (and cold) much easier. They are also less prone to breaking in half like the micro swivels are (especially the tiny Raven ones which suck IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfish Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Thats some real great reading I need to do Mike. I remember you telling me that you have gone to the larger swivel. Thanks bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) You got it! No swivel for me, main to leader with a blood knot then to the hook, no need for anything more! Sure there is, if you hate line twist. If you enjoy it, then definitely don't run a swivel above your float and also run mono and make wicked long hero drifts If there was any correlation between break offs and the amount of knots you've got in your rig, you might have a point but you don't. Tie your knots properly, check them often and it doesn't matter. I think one of the best ways to combat line twist is to run slip floats. Like Mike mentioned above, the float does twist up the line a lot more then people realize. Edited November 11, 2014 by BillM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okumasheffield Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 There is another great advantage of Wallis cast, it allows you to stand RIGHT BESIDE YOUR BUDDIES to cast & drift. Or, to shoulder others out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Don't forget it also impresses the ladies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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