fisherkid4 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hello Everyone, My one buddy has a pellet gun rifle. It is a crossman Phantom gun. It shoots .22 Cal pellets and shoots 495 fps. My question is would you need to have a hunting lisence to hunt small game with this pellet gun or how does that work with a pellet gun? Thanks, Tight Lines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) To the best of my knowledge, you need a hunting licence to hunt. It makes no difference weather you are using a gun, bow or pellet gun. You still need a valid hunting licence. Edited October 30, 2013 by N.A.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskieman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) You wouldn't need a PAL / POL to own the rifle , since it's under 500FPS , but it isn't legal to hunt with an air rifle , if it were you would need a hunting lisence , smallest legal caliber in Ontatio is a .22 rimfire .... I believe some provinces still allow .177 rimfire . Hope this helped Edited October 30, 2013 by Randy from Sturgeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) According to the regs, you are allowed to hunt in Ontario with a pellet gun. Page 23. "Air and pellet pistols with a muzzle velocity less than 152 metres (500 feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario (see restrictions on page 24)" http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/239841.pdf I hunt grouse with a pellet gun. And so do several of my hunting buddies. Great for grouse during the bow moose season, when you don't want to be banging away in the bush. Edited October 30, 2013 by N.A.W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskieman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 ** correction , it is legal to hunt with an air rifle on Ontario ( it wasn't before ) just called a CO buddy of mine , if it's over 500FPS you'll need a PAL and your small game permit , if it's under 500FPS like in your case , just the small game permit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAW Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 My one buddy uses a nitro piston hand pellet gun. Not sure if its legal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherkid4 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Thanks N.A.W and Randy!! Tight Lines, Edited October 30, 2013 by Chrome_Chaser77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yeah, you'll need to take the hunters safety course and pass the test afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeytier Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yeah, you'll need to take the hunters safety course and pass the test afterwards. Dont think you need hunter safety?? Just a small game permit from what i understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I can't ever remember a pellet gun not legal to hunt small game with.I did when I was a kid, and that is getting to be quite a while ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Dont think you need hunter safety?? Just a small game permit from what i understand How are you going to get that without a hunting license? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeytier Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 So i need hunters safety to snare rabbits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 So i need hunters safety to snare rabbits? He wants to shoot them, so he'll need a small game tag. You can't get a tag without a hunting license. As for snaring? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherkid4 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks BillM, You guys helped clarify me and my buddy will most deff need a lisence and tags even with the pellet gun. Thanks, Tight Lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.brock Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 this whole thread sort of reads like "who's on first?", Abbott and Costello but, I thought you needed a PAL to get a hunting license, and then to buy a small game permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Don't need a PAL.. You only need a PAL to own/purchase a firearm. I got that info from here last year as I made the same assumption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumma Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I can't ever remember a pellet gun not legal to hunt small game with. I did when I was a kid, and that is getting to be quite a while ago Hows about the guns that you cocked and puffed out air and a popping noise. You soon found out that you can jam the barrel in the mud and shoot people with them. or The spring loaded BB gun that would barely break the skin if you shot your brother with it from 5 feet away. I remember many a BB gun fight in the neighborhood with "bugbites" as we told our moms. I am sure we didn't fool them but it was easier to let us be kids than to make us come inside to watch T.V. and settle down before bed. growing up memories are the best Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipfisher Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I bring my 10 year old with me all the time and he carries his .177 cal pellet gun. It is 495 fps but he is too young to legally hunt so he shoots pop cans and other targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 So i need hunters safety to snare rabbits? That is correct. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinker Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 And you need to be north of the french/mattawa river. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch312 Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 -PAL and hunting course are unrelated and one is not required to get the other -To buy and shoot firearms (including pellet guns over 500 fps) you need a PAL -To hunt you must take the hunter safety course and obtain the proper license for the animal you wish to pursue -If you want to use a firearm to hunt you'll need to have passed both the firearms and hunting exams, bow or pellet gun hunting requires only the hunting license -Air rifles of any speed are legal to use for hunting, but an air pistol must be under 500 fps as handgun hunting is illegal in Ontario and as soon as the air pistol breaks that magic 500 fps it's then considered a handgun Ya need a firearms license to own a speedy pellet gun, yet no firearms license is required to buy a flintlock rifle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillM Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 So as long as the pellet gun is under 500fps, no PAL required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdrifter Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 So as long as the pellet gun is under 500fps, no PAL required? Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdrifter Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 My one buddy uses a nitro piston hand pellet gun. Not sure if its legal though. I was under the impression that a pistol can't be used to hunt in Ontario, but if it's classified as a pellet gun I'm not so sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch312 Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I was under the impression that a pistol can't be used to hunt in Ontario, but if it's classified as a pellet gun I'm not so sure... Correct, a handgun cannot be used for hunting in Ontario. But, an air pistol that is slower than 500 fps is not defined as a handgun so it is legal to use for hunting. No PAL is required to own an under 500 fps air pistol, but a RPAL (restricted firearms license) is required to buy and own an air pistol that shoots faster than 500 fps and can only be used at approved ranges. An air rifle under 500 fps does not require a PAL either, but it is required once you break 500 fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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