Muskieman Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I have some friends in PQ a few couples couldn't afford them , a few kids and Mom on Mat leave , had to park his car .. choice between Christmas gifts or tires .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funfishing Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 16 years working for a michelin dealer. see that number that starts with TPC- tire performance criteria is a number on all general motors factory installed rubber Thanks for the heads up, dealer apparently returned the wrong ones to her after her lease. I guess she doesn't know much about tires if she didn't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) Only one problem, we don't have a law on disregarding common sense which leads to driving like an idiot in all sorts of conditions. Technically there is a law on "disregarding common sense which leads to driving like an idiot..." its called dangerous driving and careless driving, and it isn't enforced nearly enough. You can get a "Too fast for conditions" charge for going 100 in a 100 during a blizard, aka careless driving, afaik. Its part of the laws that you drive within road conditions. Something that is not enfourced but it should be. Like I said there are enough laws. Look at the second paragraph http://www.insurancehotline.com/the-winter-driving-habits-that-could-cost-you/ Edited December 20, 2012 by jedimaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue pickeral Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Have driven all over this country, millions of miles, Arctic ice roads to Maritime conditions on both coasts with all season tires and no accidents. Just change driving habits in the winter. It seems after one huge and expensive marketing / lobbying campaign on behalf of the tire manufactures, everyone, including the Quebec government (no kickbacks there eh? ha ha - just limited to the construction industry you say?)was falling all over themselves to get snow tires, defend their use of snow tires, brag about their use of snow tires, etc. ad nauseum. Good for the overall economy I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funfishing Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I went with all seasons again too, I slip and side quite a bit in the snow, but I'm always careful with where and when I drive if there's fresh snow. I've never been in any accidents but I see the benefit of better tires in places that get a lot of snow. I wouldn't want them to be mandatory though, as mentioned before most winter days the roads are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I've never needed my seatbelt, but still buckle up, what a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIFTER_016 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 True that Southern Ontario roads are usually snow free, but in more Northern climes they look like this from October to May!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lew Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I installed my winter wheels & tires on the truck today so I'm all set for whatever the winter throws at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Cripes the way the winter is going there will be no snow to speak of. I have a hard time justifying 1400 to 1600 dollars for snow ( winter) tires when I only drive 4 miles to work one way. Most days I am doing less than 20KM on the QEW between Appleby and third line.If the plan is to go to Montreal to visit thenI will wait for nice weather both ways If I am travelling to Montreal to see family. As mentioned, if you live in the snow belt or have to drive 25 miles for milk and bread up north then yes it is a justified expense. The four wheel drive will keep me going when needed in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I agree and thats the problem with ontario, is there are specifically two different climates, Snow Belt and GTA(where most of the population lives). For me I am 8 km's to work, and I am on city streets, Drive a 4x4 with ABS and fresh AT's (Mud and Snow but not winter rated). I couldn't justify spending over a grand on snows. I do a fair bit of driving going ice fishing and have done so with AT and snows, and although there is clearly an advantage to snow tires, with ABS and good AT's I am more than satisfied with the level of grip I have. I just go slower and leave alot more space when required. As for winter rated tires being the end all. Well tell that to my cousin, she had brand new Blizzak's installed and a week later she hit a patch of black ice and ended up rolling in a ditch about 3 weeks ago. Its bean behind wheel 9 times out of 10. I don't need anyone to legislate another money grab even if the intention is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemper Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) My mother drives a 2013 Subaru Impreza (AWD) with every bell, whistle, and feature you can stuff in it. She doesn't use winter tires. Ill take my 2000 civic (FWD) without a bell or whistle but with winter tires in the snow every single time. People seem to forget that AWD doesn't help you stop... Edited December 20, 2012 by kemper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 All one needs is any bit of incline and the snows will be well worth it. Woulda sucked in Montreal without them a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Oh Yeah when I lived in Montreal I always had snows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 OH, I guess I will never go to Quebec.....I only have A/T tires on the Tundra.... ....so Ontario will only get my tourist dollars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Holy Kool Aid Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingfrog Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 My mother drives a 2013 Subaru Impreza (AWD) with every bell, whistle, and feature you can stuff in it. She doesn't use winter tires. Ill take my 2000 civic (FWD) without a bell or whistle but with winter tires in the snow every single time. People seem to forget that AWD doesn't help you stop... Agreed, but her's would be fun to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squid Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 BillyBoB, you are fine and more than welcome in the Belle Provence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 BillyBoB, you are fine and more than welcome in the Belle Provence! If you go to New Franc and bring your dog make sure it understands french and english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outllaw Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 squid. i am happy with my tires whoe.ver made them lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenboater Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 BB, haven't you seen those threads here with epic pike and bass porn ? I'd hit QC any day, or night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 BillyBoB, you are fine and more than welcome in the Belle Provence! THANKS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 If you go to New Franc and bring your dog make sure it understands french and english. Now I have to learn how to say "Tundra NO" in French.... .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 BB, haven't you seen those threads here with epic pike and bass porn ? I'd hit QC any day, or night I like catching pike..if they are good size fish.....but bass don't do it for me...I can catch all I want in Lake Erie, yet hardly ever fish for them...and they are big smallmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 La toundra non Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bob Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 She thinks her middle name is "NO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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